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Post by aris on Sept 9, 2024 6:47:52 GMT -7
I guess it went pretty well like the script would have dictated : offense pretty good, defense atrocious.
In the battle of big name QB's Allen>Murray. Kyler could have won the game with two possessions but failed. Dropped ball (Wilson) , and not seeing Marvin open were two keys.
Lots of pundits pointing to the loss of Jonas Williams being replaced by Beachum as the reason we lost, that's pretty weak.
If Marvin Harrison was Joe Smith, a 4th round pick fans would be screaming "cut that guy" post game. LOL. He looked nervous, he'll be okay.
It's very hard to win in the NFL with no pass rush. Nowhere more evident than yesterday's game.
Josh Allen is a great QB but he's got Cam Newton vibes all over him. They are going to destroy this guy.
I liked Kyzir White and Mack Wilson on defense; did anyone else stand out for you?
That 3rd down run by James Conner where they settled for a field goal was widely criticized by the broadcasting crew but that's the Cardinals MO right there. Look who they gave it to on the two point conversion.
The roughing the passer on Zaven Collins was atrocious. As was the penalty on a sliding Kyler Murray. I know you need to protect these guys but now they are treated like babies.
Turning the game on reminded me why I would never live in Buffalo. 59 degrees and wind at 19 mph.
The kickoff rule will turn into no team taking any chances , why would you after watching this game? You want excitement? teams should be forced to kick it into play. Won't happen with the possibility of injuries though.
If I'm being honest , outside of some impressive runs, Kyler was not really impressive. The play calling was fine, AND I'm going to acknowledge it's game one and it was played in windy Buffalo.
The broadcast crew was CBS's B level team. But they beat anything B level by Fox.
Okay we got a new punter. Is that the best that was available? I could make a punt over 25 yards with the wind behind me, easily. (maybe not in front of 60,00 people and a bunch of 250 pound guys coming at me).
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Post by MT Diesel on Sept 9, 2024 7:17:05 GMT -7
Thanks Aris Good summary. I will continue to beat the drum on the 0-9 yard pass game. It worked in the 1st half and when the Cards panicked in the second half they went away from it. In the Lions game Stafford worked the short game to perfection against a better defense and several OL men missing. I liked the Cards had a chance, but if the offense would have trusted what was working in the short game another outcome was possible. The lack of short crossers, counter routes off play action and even better use of jet sweep motion and more jet sweeps with Dortch. McBride, Wilson and MJH can catch short routes and use their athleticism to get extra yards…short routes get the ball out fast and neutralize the rush as well. The Cards did this in 2023 as well and McBride thrived. Drew has his work cut out, but it is an easy adjustment. Small ball moves the chains and protects the bad defense as seen in the first half.
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Post by MT Diesel on Sept 9, 2024 7:44:01 GMT -7
On defense Jones and Nichols were disappointing.
Wilson was a bright spot. White and Budda each had ten tackles and one for a loss. Wilson had 9 tackles and one for a loss with limited snaps. I would like to see Wilson get more snaps. Did Rabbit ever get a snap?
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Post by cardinalsins on Sept 9, 2024 9:53:01 GMT -7
Will like to comment further when I get home.
PFF grades were abysmal for the DL. Pretty decent for the OL, with the exception of Beachum. Hopefully our RT gets back soon.
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 9, 2024 10:46:47 GMT -7
Will like to comment further when I get home. PFF grades were abysmal for the DL. Pretty decent for the OL, with the exception of Beachum. Hopefully our RT gets back soon. The passing chart demonstrates what I’ve been saying about the timing being off between Kyler and the receivers, and I attribute much of that to this being their first game speed play together. No connections over 10 yards. They should have played starters in pre-season.
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Post by xandogeek on Sept 9, 2024 10:57:57 GMT -7
I'm going to give my thoughts on our offense first.
As discussed in my most recent post on the Questions re our Run Game thread, our running game was not good, even when we seemed to be dominating in the first half. That thread discussed some ways we might improve.
Our passing game wasn’t good either - again, even on our successful drives in the first half - because it was almost entirely limited to dink and dunk. We got surprisingly good results with that on our first three drives when we had zero penalties and only one negative play (a three-yard loss on a run). But even then it was difficult to be successful with the small bites we were taking. On those three drives we faced 7 third downs (the easiest being a 3rd and four) and were only successful because we converted every single one of them. And we didn’t exactly do that with flying colors: twice we had to scramble for it when we were unable to pass. Only once did we need ten or more yards to convert, and our “success” in that case required a personal foul at the end of a scramble that came up seven yards short.* After that we saw the more typical results of an ineffective running game coupled with dink-and-dunk passing: nibbling isn’t enough to overcome penalties or negative plays, and we can't keep putting ourselves in 3rd and 5-ish situations and expect to convert every time.
To be successful, we need to do better on first and second downs. We can do that on first and ten and second and short-ish with a more effective running game coupled with play action passing to get the ball downfield. Some quick passes on first down can be effective, but pass plays called on second down generally need to be designed to get the ball past the sticks.
Long yardage situations are going to be a problem, because it doesn’t look like we can be effective with Murray throwing downfield from the pocket. Our pass protection isn’t good enough, and – as a result – it is too hard for Murray to see and find passing lanes. We saw the kind of thing we can expect yesterday: sacks, batted balls, scrambles and dump-offs, all resulting from an inability to get the ball downfield. On second and long-ish it would help if we could make effective use of screens and draws, but on third and long we are going to need blocking help from our RBs and TEs and should scheme to pin opposing DEs or OLBs so that we can move the pocket outside. We need to recognize that it will be far easier for us to complete long passes off play action in run-down situations.
_________________ * [Yup, a footnote] As an aside, I thought the flag on the hit on Murray was legit. The replays didn't show the hit itself, but they did show that something hit Murray in the body hard enough to spin him like a top. I don't know what that could have been other than the defender's knee (the one we couldn't really see). Has anyone seen a better angle on that?
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Post by belac44 on Sept 9, 2024 11:04:19 GMT -7
On defense Jones and Nichols were disappointing. Wilson was a bright spot. White and Budda each had ten tackles and one for a loss. Wilson had 9 tackles and one for a loss with limited snaps. I would like to see Wilson get more snaps. Did Rabbit ever get a snap? Take it for what you want but Budda’s PFF grade was 54. That was not even top 10 on defense. How many defenders played?? White was in on quite a few as well, but did you notice him as having a good game? Piling on and getting an assisted tackle do not move the needle for me. Budda had at LEAST 3 missed tackles and two resulted in TD’s. $19 mil to be a box run stopping safety, needs to make those plays. The player that stood out the most was Mack Wilson and he had the highest PFF grade, so the grades are matching my thoughts. Trade Budda for Reddick and play Rabbit. One can dream….
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Post by aris on Sept 9, 2024 11:13:51 GMT -7
Thanks Aris Good summary. I will continue to beat the drum on the 0-9 yard pass game. It worked in the 1st half and when the Cards panicked in the second half they went away from it. In the Lions game Stafford worked the short game to perfection against a better defense and several OL men missing. I liked the Cards had a chance, but if the offense would have trusted what was working in the short game another outcome was possible. The lack of short crossers, counter routes off play action and even better use of jet sweep motion and more jet sweeps with Dortch. McBride, Wilson and MJH can catch short routes and use their athleticism to get extra yards…short routes get the ball out fast and neutralize the rush as well. The Cards did this in 2023 as well and McBride thrived. Drew has his work cut out, but it is an easy adjustment. Small ball moves the chains and protects the bad defense as seen in the first half. Do you think the Bills made adjustments in the second half to counter the Cards offense? Did the windy playing conditions limit the long ball? (yes) I hate the jet sweeps. Reminds me of the KK days. Overall the offense was pretty good. The defense.....
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Post by xandogeek on Sept 9, 2024 11:20:56 GMT -7
Will like to comment further when I get home. PFF grades were abysmal for the DL. Pretty decent for the OL, with the exception of Beachum. Hopefully our RT gets back soon. Good stuff, thanks. The lack of separation is what you can expect when all you do is run the ball and throw short passes. As the passing chart shows, we did almost nothing to stretch the field vertically. The film clip is also interesting; we had four guys open on the play and Murray dumped the ball to the guy on the shortest pattern. It looks like that was where the ball was supposed to go (everyone else was clearing out the middle), but it's aa little disappointing to see play action with a dump-off as the first read. I'm not sure what your point was about the routes run by the outside receivers (?).
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Post by devongent on Sept 9, 2024 11:21:08 GMT -7
Lots of pundits pointing to the loss of Jonas Williams being replaced by Beachum as the reason we lost, that's pretty weak. Beachum is now aged 35 and he is doubtless dropping from his peak performance days. Maybe the glue is thinning, despite the positives he brings to the roster. arizonasports.com/story/3557442/jonah-williams-out-cardinals/Hoping Jonas Williams is back for the next game.
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Post by belac44 on Sept 9, 2024 11:52:13 GMT -7
Lots of pundits pointing to the loss of Jonas Williams being replaced by Beachum as the reason we lost, that's pretty weak. Beachum is now aged 35 and he is doubtless dropping from his peak performance days. Maybe the glue is thinning, despite the positives he brings to the roster. arizonasports.com/story/3557442/jonah-williams-out-cardinals/Hoping Jonas Williams is back for the next game. I thought there would not be a big drop off with Beach in there as I am not sold on Jonah Williams being a huge upgrade. Things got worse with Beach for sure. How much did Beach play in preseason? I have no clue on that and maybe it was just rust. He needs to be better next game and I expect he will. He is getting up there in age though. Bigger issue is he is the only option. Christian Jones, whom I do not believe to be ready yet anyhow, is on IR. Beach is it. If Willams is missing anytime, watch for a roster move in some regard for backup swing tackle. That player is most likely not going to be a better option than Beach, so he needs to step up.
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Post by xandogeek on Sept 9, 2024 12:08:23 GMT -7
Did the windy playing conditions limit the long ball? (yes) I hate the jet sweeps. Reminds me of the KK days. Overall the offense was pretty good. The defense..... I'm sure the Bills made some adjustments to counter the Cards offense, but our inability to run effectively or stretch the field vertically made that pretty easy. You make a very good point about the wind conditions; I hadn't really focused on that and don't know how big a factor it was. I both agree and disagree with you on jet sweeps. Depending on exactly what the offense is doing jet sweeps can be excellent or horrible, and I've certainly seen some horrible examples. The worst are one-offs run from the shotgun with little or nothing to confuse the defense. The best are run from under center (which helps hide the ball and improves the timing) and are part of a play package that puts the defense in conflict by presenting multiple threats from the same backfield action. As explained in the Questions re our Run Game thread, I think the latter (in which a few jet sweeps would open up an inside run game and help Murray break containment on play action) could really help us.
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Post by xandogeek on Sept 9, 2024 12:52:30 GMT -7
The bogus roughing call on Collins' unquestionably clean sack was an absolute killer. Shame on the official for not picking up his laundry when it was clear that there was no facemask or horse collar. That bad call almost certainly resulted in a 7-point swing and could possibly have made a 10-point difference. Ugh.
One thing that stuck out for me was that we had a couple of disastrous kickoffs. On our first KO we were apparently trying to force a return and ended up giving up a big one, giving Buffalo the ball at our own 45. Then - on the first kick of the second half - we apparently attempted a squib kick that landed short of the "landing zone," putting the ball at the 40. Coming on the heels of the bad call that turned the game around just before halftime, this killed us. To the extent that we were responding to the new rules by attempting to force a return, I hope the experiment is over.
I don't have a lot to say about our defense. We seemed pretty helpless at times and - even when we had a couple of good plays - we always seemed to break down one play short of a critical stop. Extremely frustrating. On our final drive I was thinking that we needed to take our time and score with essentially no time left so that Buffalo could not (seemingly inevitably) come back for the win. That's pretty sad commentary.
Then the officials decided the game with a non-call on what looked to me like obvious pass interference. Double ugh.
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Post by cardinalsins on Sept 9, 2024 13:06:19 GMT -7
Interesting breakdown by Orlovsky on this particular play.
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Post by belac44 on Sept 9, 2024 13:14:38 GMT -7
The bogus roughing call on Collins' unquestionably clean sack was an absolute killer. Shame on the official for not picking up his laundry when it was clear that there was no facemask or horse collar. That bad call almost certainly resulted in a 7-point swing and could possibly have made a 10-point difference. Ugh. One thing that stuck out for me was that we had a couple of disastrous kickoffs. On our first KO we were apparently trying to force a return and ended up giving up a big one, giving Buffalo the ball at our own 45. Then - on the first kick of the second half - we apparently attempted a squib kick that landed short of the "landing zone," putting the ball at the 40. Coming on the heels of the bad call that turned the game around just before halftime, this killed us. To the extent that we were responding to the new rules by attempting to force a return, I hope the experiment is over. I don't have a lot to say about our defense. We seemed pretty helpless at times and - even when we had a couple of good plays - we always seemed to break down one play short of a critical stop. Extremely frustrating. On our final drive I was thinking that we needed to take our time and score with essentially no time left so that Buffalo could not (seemingly inevitably) come back for the win. That's pretty sad commentary. Then the officials decided the game with a non-call on what looked to me like obvious pass interference. Double ugh. I believe that was a 7 point bad call. The refs also gave the Cards 4 points with an equally bad call on the Bills. The even bigger thing was the momentum change with that call. But the Bills also had some tough calls, refs were not good.
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