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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 11, 2024 16:22:22 GMT -7
Agree. Murray needs to have the ball in his hands on that down & distance at that particular point in the game. Petzing has to have the confidence that his QB will make a play. To be fair to our OC, there is probably a lot he can't call because of Kyler. When you are undersized, you can't call plays with him behind center. That limits us. You can't call a lot of playaction with him behind center. He can't complete passes over the middle while playing under center. He will have trouble making quick passes to the flats. His height is impacting the game. They are going to need to get a QB with size. It's becoming increasily apparent how much Kyler's height is affecting the offense. He just didn't see Harrison on the play where he was open downfield. In college, you can get away throwing out of the shotgun on nearly every down. It's hard to do that in the NFL. Even our running plays are impacted because they have to done with Kyler playing out of the shotgun. It's not nearly as effective running inside when you are running from shotgun. |
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Post by BigRedFan on Sept 11, 2024 20:04:27 GMT -7
Agree. Murray needs to have the ball in his hands on that down & distance at that particular point in the game. Petzing has to have the confidence that his QB will make a play. To be fair to our OC, there is probably a lot he can't call because of Kyler. When you are undersized, you can't call plays with him behind center. That limits us. You can't call a lot of playaction with him behind center. He can't complete passes over the middle while playing under center. He will have trouble making quick passes to the flats. His height is impacting the game. They are going to need to get a QB with size. It's becoming increasily apparent how much Kyler's height is affecting the offense. He just didn't see Harrison on the play where he was open downfield. In college, you can get away throwing out of the shotgun on nearly every down. It's hard to do that in the NFL. Even our running plays are impacted because they have to done with Kyler playing out of the shotgun. It's not nearly as effective running inside when you are running from shotgun. Okay, I'll agree that his height can be an issue as far as field vision goes on occasion. K1 has been elected to 2 pro bowls with Klownsbury as the head coach. Murray was the front runner for league MVP two thirds of the way thru 2021 season until he got hurt in the Monday Night game v. Green Bay. He can play and succeed in this league. Murray proved last year that he can play under center; can run play action from under center and do it effectively. RT Williams' exit with injury in the 1st quarter hurt as Beachum entered the game and was clearly manhandled on the right side. Hence, so many shotgun/pistol formations. If Petzing felt he was limited in his 1st OC job because of K1, MO and JG would've moved on from Murray. K1 is as accurate as it comes with the deep throw, and the short stuff. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Sept 12, 2024 2:35:24 GMT -7
Everybody just relax. This game proves that the starters have to play summon preseason.
They'll be better this week
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 12, 2024 19:31:38 GMT -7
Bills are destroying Miami tonight, up 31-10 nearing the end of the 3rd quarter. Tua rocked (by Hamlin of all people) and out, another possible concussion.
Edit: ruled out with concussion. He can’t take many more concussions like this.
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Post by BigRedFan on Sept 12, 2024 19:56:29 GMT -7
Tua has to think about hanging it up just for his health. My god, he just gets extended and then suffers another concussion.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 12, 2024 20:11:29 GMT -7
Bills won this game by 6 and the only reason the game was competitive in the 2nd half was the DJ Dallas KO return. Cardinals were absolutely AWFUL on offense in the 2nd half. They were outscored by 21 going back to the 2 minute warning in the first half. Petzig's two run calls on 3rd and medium and long were egregious. Pass pro was awful, Murray missed a wide open MHJ in a crucial spot. Great QBs don't miss that opportunity. K1 had a chance to establish his resurgence as a bonafide franchise QB with 1:57 minutes left and a 40 yard line start after a Bills kick off went out of bounds. It was all there for Murray to add to his 'Hail Murray' legacy over Josh Allen. Not to be. Michael Wilson's drop killed any momentum the Cards had vs. the clock and bad decisions there after led to a fourth and 7 failure. I thought K1 might be able to steal this game. He showed anything but greatness when it counted most today. JMO. Well our offense might be better then we thought after seeing Miami having trouble with them. If Kyler see's wide open Harrison that could have been the winnig touchdown. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 12, 2024 20:13:01 GMT -7
Everybody just relax. This game proves that the starters have to play summon preseason. They'll be better this week Miami had issues with them maybe this team is better then some think. |
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Post by Boomer on Sept 13, 2024 3:22:34 GMT -7
Miami gained more yards and had more time of possession than Buffalo. They were undone by three Tua interceptions and having 7 penalties to Buffalo's 1. Every scoring drive of Buffalo's, except one, started in Miami territory. Miami handed them the game. Buffalo really didn't make any mistakes like they did against us last week and the Miami game would have been a lot different if Miami hadn't imploded.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 13, 2024 4:40:43 GMT -7
Miami gained more yards and had more time of possession than Buffalo. They were undone by three Tua interceptions and having 7 penalties to Buffalo's 1. Every scoring drive of Buffalo's, except one, started in Miami territory. Miami handed them the game. Buffalo really didn't make any mistakes like they did against us last week and the Miami game would have been a lot different if Miami hadn't imploded. I did not watch the TNF game, but I do know that this was the 2nd game in a row where penalties had a tremendous impact on the game and BUF directly benefitted and quickly scored points. MIA was DOA by halftime last night. I hope the MIA QB Tua recovers from the concussion. The type of CB hit on Tua was unnecessary and was not flagged. Now I have proof that the some referees are gifting certain big market teams...Ref Blackman's crew is one of the culprits...the NFL knows his crew is hurting some teams. During a LAR @ ARZ game preview film "made by the NFL and posted on YouTube on 9/11" the NFL spokesperson admitted that a legitimate Cardinals sack by a LB was taken away and the defense was penalized 15 yards for roughing QB Allen. The NFL film highlights the fact that a LB grabbing the front of the shirt earned a yellow flag. QB Allen faked a head slap. QB Rodgers does that all the time as well and refs are wise to him. That penalty on ARZ dramatically affected the game, putting BUF in instant FG range--the team did score a TD instead. Soon, the Cardinals fell behind and then ultimately lost. |
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Post by redbirdwatcher on Sept 13, 2024 5:58:48 GMT -7
Miami gained more yards and had more time of possession than Buffalo. They were undone by three Tua interceptions and having 7 penalties to Buffalo's 1. Every scoring drive of Buffalo's, except one, started in Miami territory. Miami handed them the game. Buffalo really didn't make any mistakes like they did against us last week and the Miami game would have been a lot different if Miami hadn't imploded. I did not watch the TNF game, but I do know that this was the 2nd game in a row where penalties had a tremendous impact on the game and BUF directly benefitted and quickly scored points. MIA was DOA by halftime last night. I hope the MIA QB Tua recovers from the concussion. The type of CB hit on Tua was unnecessary and was not flagged. Now I have proof that the some referees are gifting certain big market teams...Ref Blackman's crew is one of the culprits...the NFL knows his crew is hurting some teams. During a LAR @ ARZ game preview film "made by the NFL and posted on YouTube on 9/11" the NFL spokesperson admitted that a legitimate Cardinals sack by a LB was taken away and the defense was penalized 15 yards for roughing QB Allen. The NFL film highlights the fact that a LB grabbing the front of the shirt earned a yellow flag. QB Allen faked a head slap. QB Rodgers does that all the time as well and refs are wise to him. That penalty on ARZ dramatically affected the game, putting BUF in instant FG range--the team did score a TD instead. Soon, the Cardinals fell behind and then ultimately lost. From my memory on the hit that caused the concussion, I don't recall anything that was unnecessary on the hit on Tua or that should have been penalized. |
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Post by flash on Sept 13, 2024 7:20:21 GMT -7
Ok...let's be honest....
After watching the Miami vs. Bills game last night...our team is much better than we think...considering we had a chance to beat the Bills towards the end of the game, we beat ourselves because we could not finish off the game...
Now, take these things into consideration about the game last night...
1. Didn't Miami have the best passing offense in the NFL last season? I am pretty sure they did. Yes the Dolphins had more passing yards against the Bills than we had. But, the Bills pretty much contained Waddle and Hill...it is no wonder Marvin was contained in our game... Waddle: 41 Receiving yards, 0 TD's Hill: 24 Receiving yards, 0 TD's
Achane had the most receiving yards of the game...with 69 yards.
So, why did Miami end up with only 10 points and we ended up with 28 points against the same opponent? Hmm...and don't forget that our game was an away game while Miami had a home game against the Bills...
2. The QB play...well when Tua has 3 interceptions...of course that is going to affect the score in the game...funny thing is that Murray had zero interceptions against the Bills. Did Murray just take what the defense gave him which was making him throw to McBride and Dortch instead of a doubled or tripled MHJ? Was Tua trying to force the ball to Hill or Waddle and that is why he was intercepted? The one interception where Tua was starting to fall back and he throws the ball high in the air and it turns into a pick 6, well that play was totally on Tua and no one else...did Murray do anything like that? No, he didn't. Am I comparing Murray to Tua, not really...my point is I am trying to show that the Bills defense is actually that good...to be able to contain two excellent WR 's in Hill and Waddle...keep in mind that MHJ is unproven still, how do McBride and Dortch compare to Hill and Waddle? They don't, not even close...Murray's biggest mistake of the game was not seeing MHJ wide open near the end of the game...
We had the Bills on their heels in the first half...
On the hit on Tua...that was totally Tua's fault...I could not believe when I saw Tua go head first into the mid section of Hamlin...why did Tua not slide?
3. The coaching...Petzing was to blame for some bad calls...however...we did score 28 points to a very good Bills defense...considering that last season, we scored 28 points or more in only 4 games...
Rallis...well we started off well with our defense in the game...but then Rallis failed to contain Josh Allen in the second half...was it Rallis or us not having a good defense...the thing that I question is that we were able to contain the Bills early on...so obviously the Bills coaching staff was able to make adjustments to overcome that...while Rallis was not able to overcome those adjustments made by them...or did our defense get tired and the rotational players were just no skilled enough to defend against Josh Allen and the offense?
4. I think with some coaching adjustments...we can and will have a team that will get us 9 wins this season...our offense should be able to score upwards of 25 points in many games...it will be whether our defense can keep our opponents under 25 points or less... ________________________________________
After seeing the Miami vs. Bills game last night...it has now made me believe that we were not going to win the game against the Bills...but it sure was damn close...we will get some good wins this season...
What changed from last season in our game against the Bills...is that the game was exciting until the very end...how many times did that happen last season? We do have a different team....if we address our defense next season in the draft...we will be a playoff contender...no doubt in my mind...
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Post by Boomer on Sept 13, 2024 17:08:33 GMT -7
I guess the message in my post is the Bills didn't really look that great against Miami and were able to take advantage of some really terrible turnovers.
We could have won that game and the Bills/Miami game showed me they were totally beatable, at least in the first part of the season. Who knows what they will look like a few weeks from now when all the kinks are worked out.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 13, 2024 17:28:20 GMT -7
I did not watch the TNF game, but I do know that this was the 2nd game in a row where penalties had a tremendous impact on the game and BUF directly benefitted and quickly scored points. MIA was DOA by halftime last night. I hope the MIA QB Tua recovers from the concussion. The type of CB hit on Tua was unnecessary and was not flagged. Now I have proof that the some referees are gifting certain big market teams...Ref Blackman's crew is one of the culprits...the NFL knows his crew is hurting some teams. During a LAR @ ARZ game preview film "made by the NFL and posted on YouTube on 9/11" the NFL spokesperson admitted that a legitimate Cardinals sack by a LB was taken away and the defense was penalized 15 yards for roughing QB Allen. The NFL film highlights the fact that a LB grabbing the front of the shirt earned a yellow flag. QB Allen faked a head slap. QB Rodgers does that all the time as well and refs are wise to him. That penalty on ARZ dramatically affected the game, putting BUF in instant FG range--the team did score a TD instead. Soon, the Cardinals fell behind and then ultimately lost. From my memory on the hit that caused the concussion, I don't recall anything that was unnecessary on the hit on Tua or that should have been penalized. RBW, thanks for the spot check. My view was a still shot. It looks different. Sorry to make more of it than necessary. My huge concern is that Tua has a history of concussion injury -- and still, the Refs let the BUF defenders charge into the QB without fear of flag for USL conduct or RTP hits. That was not the story in BUF five days earlier. The NFL still has not figured out if QBs are real football players. I say that they are players and not special. Also, bubble-wrapping QBs is not the right answer. |
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