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Post by BigRedFan on Sept 8, 2024 15:26:36 GMT -7
Bills won this game by 6 and the only reason the game was competitive in the 2nd half
was the DJ Dallas KO return. Cardinals were absolutely AWFUL on offense in the 2nd half.
They were outscored by 21 going back to the 2 minute warning in the first half.
Petzig's two run calls on 3rd and medium and long were egregious. Pass pro was awful, Murray
missed a wide open MHJ in a crucial spot. Great QBs don't miss that opportunity. K1 had a chance
to establish his resurgence as a bonafide franchise QB with 1:57 minutes left and a 40 yard line start
after a Bills kick off went out of bounds. It was all there for Murray to add to his 'Hail Murray' legacy
over Josh Allen.
Not to be. Michael Wilson's drop killed any momentum the Cards had vs. the clock and bad decisions
there after led to a fourth and 7 failure. I thought K1 might be able to steal this game. He showed
anything but greatness when it counted most today. JMO.
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Post by MT Diesel on Sept 8, 2024 17:15:32 GMT -7
BFR
Thanks for the thread. It doesn’t matter how the Cards got the scores. There was a terrible run of 28 points allowed by the defense from the drive 2:40 left in the 2nd through the 3rd quarter. The defense allowing long drive to start the 3rd really iced the offense…at the end of the day the offense has to protect this defense and they failed in the second half.
Losing Jonah Williams did hurt the offense…the Bills jumped on his loss in the 2nd half.
I am most disappointed with the coaches. To not insert Wilson more and get rid of the nickel that was not working to cover or stop the run was 101 dumb. The Bills coaching jumped on the Cards both in staying with the run and blitzing in the 3rd on a cold Card offense.
The lack of game planning to get MHJ, McBride and Wilson more involved was an error.
It was a competitive game and there were some positives to build on. I like the improvements…there are more personnel additions needed on defense.
The 0-9 yard passes in the first half went well and then panic set in during the 3rd quarter with the deep drops that ended up in sacks…that is coaching…No WR short crossers to take advantage of big physical WRs and TEs.
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 8, 2024 17:37:43 GMT -7
BFR Thanks for the thread. It doesn’t matter how the Cards got the scores. There was a terrible run of 28 points allowed by the defense from the drive 2:40 left in the 2nd through the 3rd quarter. The defense allowing long drive to start the 3rd really iced the offense…at the end of the day the offense has to protect this defense and they failed in the second half. Losing Jonah Williams did hurt the offense…the Bills jumped on his loss in the 2nd half. I am most disappointed with the coaches. To not insert Wilson more and get rid of the nickel that was not working to cover or stop the run was 101 dumb. The Bills coaching jumped on the Cards both in staying with the run and blitzing in the 3rd on a cold Card offense. The lack of game planning to get MHJ, McBride and Wilson more involved was an error. It was a competitive game and there were some positives to build on. I like the improvements…there are more personnel additions needed on defense. The 0-9 yard passes in the first half went well and then panic set in during the 3rd quarter with the deep drops that ended up in sacks…that is coaching…No WR short crossers to take advantage of big physical WRs and TEs. First half I was thrilled with the offense using runs and spreading the ball around, controlling the clock and seemingly scoring at will. I figured the coaches knew the Bills would have schemed to take away McBride and MHJ, so the plan was to do everything but, and then unleash both of them in the second half. That second half never happened. |
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Post by Vesely22 on Sept 8, 2024 18:09:25 GMT -7
BFR Thanks for the thread. It doesn’t matter how the Cards got the scores. There was a terrible run of 28 points allowed by the defense from the drive 2:40 left in the 2nd through the 3rd quarter. The defense allowing long drive to start the 3rd really iced the offense…at the end of the day the offense has to protect this defense and they failed in the second half. Losing Jonah Williams did hurt the offense…the Bills jumped on his loss in the 2nd half. I am most disappointed with the coaches. To not insert Wilson more and get rid of the nickel that was not working to cover or stop the run was 101 dumb. The Bills coaching jumped on the Cards both in staying with the run and blitzing in the 3rd on a cold Card offense. The lack of game planning to get MHJ, McBride and Wilson more involved was an error. It was a competitive game and there were some positives to build on. I like the improvements…there are more personnel additions needed on defense. The 0-9 yard passes in the first half went well and then panic set in during the 3rd quarter with the deep drops that ended up in sacks…that is coaching…No WR short crossers to take advantage of big physical WRs and TEs. MT, I couldn’t agree more! The halftime adjustments by Buffalo were so much better than the Cards. They basically said you are not running the ball against us and offensively we didn’t adjust at all. How Harrison had 3 passes the whole game is crazy. The drops by Harrison and Wilson do not give me any confidence. I think most would agree this offense was going to have to carry the team and I personally think they went backwards against an below average defense. |
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Post by melgray85 on Sept 8, 2024 19:33:18 GMT -7
I think one could argue......granted in retrospect.....that not playing Kyler at all in preseason might have been a mistake and contributed to his missing a wide open Harrison at such a critical juncture of the game. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/kyler-murray-cardinals-face-backlash-for-usage-of-marvin-harrison-jr/ar-AA1qdk7r?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EE05&cvid=39b761a72dfd4f66a835477d2fad7a0f&ei=23They're new to each other and have to work at getting in sync which is why I don't understand the preseason decision of not even one quarter a game or at least half a quarter (unless I missed it?). Also I can't stress enough how much a good consistent pass rusher is needed for this team, especially in a game like this where the offense stalls after starting so strong. A guy like Aaron Donald or a Lawrence Taylor type could have slowed down that come from behind momentum by Buffalo. And I didn't see that aggressive no quit defense this game like we saw last year. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 8, 2024 22:11:24 GMT -7
I think one could argue......granted in retrospect.....that not playing Kyler at all in preseason might have been a mistake and contributed to his missing a wide open Harrison at such a critical juncture of the game. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/kyler-murray-cardinals-face-backlash-for-usage-of-marvin-harrison-jr/ar-AA1qdk7r?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EE05&cvid=39b761a72dfd4f66a835477d2fad7a0f&ei=23They're new to each other and have to work at getting in sync which is why I don't understand the preseason decision of not even one quarter a game or at least half a quarter (unless I missed it?). Also I can't stress enough how much a good consistent pass rusher is needed for this team, especially in a game like this where the offense stalls after starting so strong. A guy like Aaron Donald or a Lawrence Taylor type could have slowed down that come from behind momentum by Buffalo. And I didn't see that aggressive no quit defense this game like we saw last year. I felt very strongly it was a mistake to sit ALL the starters through ALL of the pre-season games, and now feel very strongly we would have won this game if we hadn’t. It wasn’t just Kyler and MHJ who needed time together on the field at full game speed with real hitting and tackling. It was the Oline, the Dline, the OLB’s, the DB’s, and special teams. They all need to work together as units and this was all of their first times at game speed since January at best, and actually ever due to so many FA’s and rookies. A huge mistake that cost us what matters more than injury risk…wins. |
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Post by End Zone on Sept 9, 2024 0:41:11 GMT -7
mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#inbox/FMfcgzQVzXcBTZQrvBhTzgkdKpFCHptBI grabbed this 30-minute post-game discussion for Forum members to listen to and appreciate how hard the Cardinals tried and failed to win ugly. The speakers point out the horrible QB play in the 2nd half which absolutely doomed the Cardinals chance to win ugly. Missed read, dropped pass, sack, audible, fumble, and so on. Murray completed I think 5 passes in the second half. The offense gained 50 yards. NO NFL TEAM WINS A GAME WHEN IT GENERATES ONLY 50 YARDS OF OFFENSE IN A HALF. The Bills had their problems but the Cardinals were the poorest prepared on O/D/ST. Well, there are 16 more chances for an ugly win. Maybe the Los Angeles Rams next weekend will cooperate.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 9, 2024 0:43:54 GMT -7
Bills won this game by 6 and the only reason the game was competitive in the 2nd half was the DJ Dallas KO return. Cardinals were absolutely AWFUL on offense in the 2nd half. They were outscored by 21 going back to the 2 minute warning in the first half. Petzig's two run calls on 3rd and medium and long were egregious. Pass pro was awful, Murray missed a wide open MHJ in a crucial spot. Great QBs don't miss that opportunity. K1 had a chance to establish his resurgence as a bonafide franchise QB with 1:57 minutes left and a 40 yard line start after a Bills kick off went out of bounds. It was all there for Murray to add to his 'Hail Murray' legacy over Josh Allen. Not to be. Michael Wilson's drop killed any momentum the Cards had vs. the clock and bad decisions there after led to a fourth and 7 failure. I thought K1 might be able to steal this game. He showed anything but greatness when it counted most today. JMO. The OC might be the first assistant fired if the trend continues. I'm worried that brainiac Petzing is not up to the task. His record is now 4-14. |
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Post by Boomer on Sept 9, 2024 5:22:58 GMT -7
Dropped passes
Missed tackles
Questionable play calling on offense and defense (why we didn't factor Allen's ability to run into the game plan was just dumb).
Missed opportunities
All correctable. The game was closer than I thought and was very surprised by how well we held up against the Bills in the first half. If the second half had gone the same way, the media would have claimed it was the referees and the Bills imploding more than our being better prepared and playing well that caused them to lose the game.
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Post by Boomer on Sept 9, 2024 5:26:24 GMT -7
The OC might be the first assistant fired if the trend continues. I'm worried that brainiac Petzing is not up to the task. His record is now 4-14. To be fair, he's being asked to score 100 points a game to cover for the porous defense. He made some boneheaded calls but the I wanted to turn the game off on the QB draw play that resulted in the Bills first touchdown, even though it was called back, because it was soooo obvious what the play call was. There was a complete disregard for Allen's ability to run the ball. Shameful. |
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Post by ricardo on Sept 9, 2024 7:02:34 GMT -7
The OC might be the first assistant fired if the trend continues. I'm worried that brainiac Petzing is not up to the task. His record is now 4-14. To be fair, he's being asked to score 100 points a game to cover for the porous defense. He made some boneheaded calls but the I wanted to turn the game off on the QB draw play that resulted in the Bills first touchdown, even though it was called back, because it was soooo obvious what the play call was. There was a complete disregard for Allen's ability to run the ball. Shameful. I told my wife basically the same thing. I was like, they know damn well he's going to run & again & again just left a clear lane for him to do so...  |
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 9, 2024 10:31:56 GMT -7
mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#inbox/FMfcgzQVzXcBTZQrvBhTzgkdKpFCHptBI grabbed this 30-minute post-game discussion for Forum members to listen to and appreciate how hard the Cardinals tried and failed to win ugly. The speakers point out the horrible QB play in the 2nd half which absolutely doomed the Cardinals chance to win ugly. Missed read, dropped pass, sack, audible, fumble, and so on. Murray completed I think 5 passes in the second half. The offense gained 50 yards. NO NFL TEAM WINS A GAME WHEN IT GENERATES ONLY 50 YARDS OF OFFENSE IN A HALF. The Bills had their problems but the Cardinals were the poorest prepared on O/D/ST. Well, there are 16 more chances for an ugly win. Maybe the Los Angeles Rams next weekend will cooperate. It was a tale of two halves, captured in this write up on NFL.com: “Murray starts hot, but offense putters out. On the opening three drives of the game, Kyler Murray looked sensational. The QB avoided the rush, making plays with his arm and legs. Murray dominated on third downs, extending drives. He was in rhythm early, finding outlets and making every right read. Murray looked back to his Pro Bowl self. In the first half, he went 16-of-19 passing for 131 yards (112.9 passer rating) and added four rushes for 28 yards. Then, in the second half, Murray was bamboozled, going 5 of 12 for 31 yards, including a sack-fumble in the third quarter. After 14 first downs on the first three drives, the Cards' offense generated four first downs the entire second half. No. 4 pick Marvin Harrison Jr. was rarely involved, catching one pass for 4 yards on three targets. Late, it was Greg Dortch getting targeted not the rookie. Expect that to change moving forward.” 113 asset rating and 28 yards rushing in the first half, 16 of 19. 14 first downs. Then in the second half, 5 of 12 passing, 31 yards, and a sack-fumble. 4 firsts downs. On offense, this makes me worry about half time adjustments, or lack thereof. We need to have a consistently great offense, all four quarters, because our defense is wet paper. |
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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 11, 2024 11:06:24 GMT -7
As I have been saying for years on this forum...if you cannot run inside consistently, you cannot win. It's that simple. Teams recognize we can't run inside and control clock.
The reason we can't run inside is the offensive line isn't that good. Our starters especially at the center and both guard positions are not good and we don't have depth either for the sake of rotating and injury. It's a position that was ignored by the previous front office and now the current one. You can't protect a lead because you can't run inside. And when you can't run inside, you become one dimensional and it's easy to stop our passing game.
This is why I was so critical of Steve Keim for years and why I was critical of this draft. We drafted 3 corners and a safety. We didn't really address the interior of the offensive line in any meaningful way. We didn't get draft quality SEC centers or guards that you need to really impact the game.
I was not surprised by that ending. Same Ole Cardinals. You are going to see more of the same this year. It's unfortunate that Bidwill didn't poach the best people from winning organizations like the 49ers or the Ravens to draft talent and lead this team. I cannot believe we received A grades for the last two drafts as that was clearly not the case
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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 11, 2024 13:15:15 GMT -7
Bills won this game by 6 and the only reason the game was competitive in the 2nd half was the DJ Dallas KO return. Cardinals were absolutely AWFUL on offense in the 2nd half. They were outscored by 21 going back to the 2 minute warning in the first half. Petzig's two run calls on 3rd and medium and long were egregious. Pass pro was awful, Murray missed a wide open MHJ in a crucial spot. Great QBs don't miss that opportunity. K1 had a chance to establish his resurgence as a bonafide franchise QB with 1:57 minutes left and a 40 yard line start after a Bills kick off went out of bounds. It was all there for Murray to add to his 'Hail Murray' legacy over Josh Allen. Not to be. Michael Wilson's drop killed any momentum the Cards had vs. the clock and bad decisions there after led to a fourth and 7 failure. I thought K1 might be able to steal this game. He showed anything but greatness when it counted most today. JMO. The OC might be the first assistant fired if the trend continues. I'm worried that brainiac Petzing is not up to the task. His record is now 4-14. The running play on 3rd and 10 with under a minute left was completely asinine. I understand the mentality. Make 4th down more manageable but not when the clock is running and when you had better options like a pass over the middle, which the defense would have given you. |
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Post by BigRedFan on Sept 11, 2024 15:10:32 GMT -7
Agree. Murray needs to have the ball in his hands on that down & distance at that
particular point in the game. Petzing has to have the confidence that his QB will make a play.
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