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Post by ricardo on Aug 7, 2024 13:05:07 GMT -7
Is this like a "What if Kyler Sucks?" thread? Hey, I apologize. I didnt see a thread started on this and I just posted it... What I should of done is looked in the Kyler suck thread first to see if someone posted it, then I would of saw you were the first and only person who did post about it. No worries, I just thought there was a connection that might make members think about why he may...  |
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Post by CardCore on Aug 7, 2024 13:29:24 GMT -7
A guess: This has more to do with Tune and Ridder than with Kyler.
I suspect Gannon is comfortable with what he sees with Murray, but less so with either of the backups - thus wants to see more from the latter during what passes for game conditions - then finalize which is better as QB2, or neither.
I would hope that by the last preseason game a decision has been made, and JG will put Murray in as a warmup for the real season games to follow.
IMHO
From what I heard through multiple podcasts...neither backup has looked particularly good. I'm more interested to see how K1 performs against the Colts D in practice. From what I heard on Cardinals "Underground" they made it sound like Ridder has been a turnover machine. Still...the depth chart (for whatever that's worth) has Ridder 2nd and Tune 3rd... |
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Post by cardinalsins on Aug 7, 2024 14:50:42 GMT -7
From what I heard through multiple podcasts...neither backup has looked particularly good. I'm more interested to see how K1 performs against the Colts D in practice. From what I heard on Cardinals "Underground" they made it sound like Ridder has been a turnover machine. Still...the depth chart (for whatever that's worth) has Ridder 2nd and Tune 3rd... The Phnx guys weren't impressed either, bit they did reference his record as a starter being a plus for a backup. |
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Post by ricardo on Aug 7, 2024 17:08:50 GMT -7
From what I heard through multiple podcasts...neither backup has looked particularly good. I'm more interested to see how K1 performs against the Colts D in practice. From what I heard on Cardinals "Underground" they made it sound like Ridder has been a turnover machine. Still...the depth chart (for whatever that's worth) has Ridder 2nd and Tune 3rd... I guess we'll find out soon enough or they're blowin smoke... |
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Post by BigRedFan on Aug 7, 2024 20:12:05 GMT -7
Desmond Ridder has been absolutely awful in camp only being slightly out performed
by Clayton Tune. I mean, what do we expect this preseason? Enjoy the preseason QB
stylings of Clayton Tune and Desmond Ridder. God help the Cardinals if Murray gets hurt.
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Post by Dry Heat on Aug 7, 2024 21:35:54 GMT -7
Desmond Ridder has been absolutely awful in camp only being slightly out performed by Clayton Tune. I mean, what do we expect this preseason? Enjoy the preseason QB stylings of Clayton Tune and Desmond Ridder. God help the Cardinals if Murray gets hurt. I saw a tweet today saying how good 2nd team WR and free agent Zay Jones has looked, especially considering the backup QB’s giving him plenty of difficult balls to haul in. |
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Post by End Zone on Aug 8, 2024 3:20:19 GMT -7
HC Gannon's decision is mostly about (1) ensuring QB #1 Murray does not get injured playing in a needless practice game and (2) developing QB #2 and QB #3. The latter QBs need a lot of work and PS is the way to improve their games.
6th-year QB Murray does not need any PS snaps to prove to Gannon that he's ready for Game 1 and the Bills. The ACL is fully healed as proven at games 9-17 in 2023.
Will Murray play well vs. the Bills? That's TBD. He'd better play well, or the HC made a terrible decision to keep Murray on the bench at PS games. If Murray begins the season in a funk and ruins a half dozen games coming out of the gate, in my judgment, Murray is then done as a Cardinals QB for 2025.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Aug 8, 2024 3:54:06 GMT -7
Just like other teams, the Cards scrimmages against the Colts will serve to be more productive than a PS game. In the "old days" and playing 3 pre-season games would have seen the first team QB playing 1 or 2 drives in PS game #1, then a quarter and a half in PS game #2 and most first teamers (including QB) sitting PS game #3.
The Colts scrimmages for JG and the coaching staff will be used to evaluate how ready KM1 is for the Bills will take place in lieu of playing Kyler in the PS game. JG and Colts HC Steichen are friends and have prepared these practices to get the best evaluation while minimizing risk of injuries. Since PS game #3 usually is for playing the "bubble-guys" and sitting players who have already solidified their position on the 53 man roster, the scrimmages with the Colts and the PS game on 8/17 will go along way for the coaches to see whom will be making that 53 - man roster.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Aug 8, 2024 14:48:37 GMT -7
This is a difficult decision for coaches. I normally like to see the starting quarterback play at least a little bit in preseason but since quarterbacks rarely start all 17 games now I think it is critical that the Cardinals find out which guy could be the backup.
I think having a joint practice with the colts will hopefully give the little dude some contact so he will be ready for the regular season. I do not expect the Cardinals to win the first game. They have an awful lot of new pieces to put into play in the bills have a sour taste in their mouth from last year's results and will be fired up.
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Post by Dry Heat on Aug 8, 2024 15:54:00 GMT -7
This is a difficult decision for coaches. I normally like to see the starting quarterback play at least a little bit in preseason but since quarterbacks rarely start all 17 games now I think it is critical that the Cardinals find out which guy could be the backup. I think having a joint practice with the colts will hopefully give the little dude some contact so he will be ready for the regular season. I do not expect the Cardinals to win the first game. They have an awful lot of new pieces to put into play in the bills have a sour taste in their mouth from last year's results and will be fired up. 12 pre-season quarters. Give a first quarter to Kyler and the starters in games 1 and 2, and then split the other 10 quarters any way you need to figure out QB2. Try to get at least two offensive series in during each of the starter’s outings. I just don’t like Game 1 of the real season to be the first real action, with real game speed and hitting, that they’ve experienced in eight months. |
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Post by Boomer on Aug 8, 2024 17:32:05 GMT -7
From what I heard through multiple podcasts...neither backup has looked particularly good. I'm more interested to see how K1 performs against the Colts D in practice. From what I heard on Cardinals "Underground" they made it sound like Ridder has been a turnover machine. Still...the depth chart (for whatever that's worth) has Ridder 2nd and Tune 3rd... Bottom line is if Ridder or Tune see any playing time during the season because KM is injured, our season is over. |
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Post by thomas cat on Aug 8, 2024 18:19:47 GMT -7
Here are my thoughts on this. When I first read about this....I kind of went huh. As Dry Heat points out, I didn't want a repeat of 2022. Sometimes my memory fails me, so I wanted to research it a little more to see if it was a bad decision. Here is their 2022 season....taken from this link.... 2022 Arizona Cardinals season As you can see. They weren't great but they did win 2 out of 4 in the early going. But for whatever reason and as the season went on, that's when they really started to suck. Was that due to no preseason games for KM? I don't know. To be clear, I would prefer KM to get some time in the preseason games, but that's just me. One thing to keep in mind. Even if he plays a drive or two in preseason. It will still be 3 to 4 weeks before he sees real action. Remember there is basically a bye week after preseason is done. It's not like he will be fresh off a real game. Having said all of this, I'm going to defer to JG decisions about this or any other kind of thing. Until he shows me, he is not taking this team in the right direction, I will hold my tongue even if it does raise my eyebrow. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Aug 8, 2024 22:52:50 GMT -7
Here are my thoughts on this. When I first read about this....I kind of went huh. As Dry Heat points out, I didn't want a repeat of 2022. Sometimes my memory fails me, so I wanted to research it a little more to see if it was a bad decision. Here is their 2022 season....taken from this link.... 2022 Arizona Cardinals seasonAs you can see. They weren't great but they did win 2 out of 4 in the early going. But for whatever reason and as the season went on, that's when they really started to suck. Was that due to no preseason games for KM? I don't know. To be clear, I would prefer KM to get some time in the preseason games, but that's just me. One thing to keep in mind. Even if he plays a drive or two in preseason. It will still be 3 to 4 weeks before he sees real action. Remember there is basically a bye week after preseason is done. It's not like he will be fresh off a real game. Having said all of this, I'm going to defer to JG decisions about this or any other kind of thing. Until he shows me, he is not taking this team in the right direction, I will hold my tongue even if it does raise my eyebrow. We beat two 7-10 team and one 6-11 team out of the first nine games. And even Kyler said they weren’t prepared and ready for K.C. after getting killed in the first game. Mahomes looked like he was in full form on game 1 and Kyler looked terrible. We had started 7-0 just one season earlier, until Kyler got dinged up in the 2021 Green Bay loss, we lost other critical players, and KK had become predictable. |
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Post by End Zone on Aug 9, 2024 5:42:05 GMT -7
Here are my thoughts on this. When I first read about this....I kind of went huh. As Dry Heat points out, I didn't want a repeat of 2022. Sometimes my memory fails me, so I wanted to research it a little more to see if it was a bad decision. Here is their 2022 season....taken from this link.... 2022 Arizona Cardinals seasonAs you can see. They weren't great but they did win 2 out of 4 in the early going. But for whatever reason and as the season went on, that's when they really started to suck. Was that due to no preseason games for KM? I don't know. To be clear, I would prefer KM to get some time in the preseason games, but that's just me. One thing to keep in mind. Even if he plays a drive or two in preseason. It will still be 3 to 4 weeks before he sees real action. Remember there is basically a bye week after preseason is done. It's not like he will be fresh off a real game. Having said all of this, I'm going to defer to JG decisions about this or any other kind of thing. Until he shows me, he is not taking this team in the right direction, I will hold my tongue even if it does raise my eyebrow. The Cardinals were extremely fortunate to not be 0-4 after the first 4 game in 2022. The Cardinals actually sucked bad, as noted by the remainder of games that season, resulting in the HC and GM being fired. I prefer Murray play part of a PS game. I don't care if it's 3 snaps and a punt. We all know he's 'the little guy.' Sitting him for 3 PS games doesn't make him bigger at games 1-17. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Aug 9, 2024 9:26:40 GMT -7
If I’m Kyler, and I missed half a season last year, and I wasn’t prepared the first time my coach and GM had me sit out a pre-season in 2022, and I have new Olinemen and a shiny new WR1…I want at least a quarter with the starters. Sitting the entire ore-season is decision making from a place of fear.
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