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Post by cardinalsdo on Jul 5, 2024 22:31:55 GMT -7
I think the national writers are spot on. I've been on this forum since 2005. There hasn't been a draft that this forum hasn't loved. Every year, the fans here think we nailed it. Even the worst Steve Keim drafts like the 2016 and 2017 drafts were met with love. And when the national media criticized our draft or talent back then, the fans couldn't accept it.
Last year's draft was met with rave reviews by the pundits. A year later, we can see the draft was overrated. THe 2023 was clearly not deserving of an A. Even redrafts lowered our grade. I was truly surprised this draft received so many high grades. With the exception of Marvin Harrison, Darius Robinson and Trey Benson, the rest of our draft was mediocre. We didn't do enough to address the offensive and defensive line. We passed on better cornerbacks yet drafted way too many defensive backs. I think this was a solid B draft but certainly not worthy of an A.
When friends living in other cities ask me about the Cardinals, my honest assessment is we are still 2 years away from being a playoff caliber team. We are not going to make the playoffs this season. And next year we have a chance but I don't think we will make the playoffs then either. The team is truly deficient in talent and we have needs at nearly every position.
Ossenfort tends to get cute like Keim. I wish he would focus on drafting proven players from the top 15-20 programs who have a knack for staying healthy. Not a fan of drafting projects or raw talent early in the draft ie Max Melton.
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Post by devongent on Jul 6, 2024 0:59:18 GMT -7
Always good to read an alternative view cardinalsdo. I wish he would focus on drafting proven players from the top 15-20 programs who have a knack for staying healthy. Not a fan of drafting projects or raw talent early in the draft ie Max Melton.Got to pick who you think is the best player and an assessment of the man being a 'longer term prospect' is part of the equation. Regarding Max Melton I disagree with your commentary, he is a real good player and I would have chosen him over the three CB's that went before (DeJean, McKinstry and Lassiter). All comes down to opinions, but if the FO were real big of one of these three, then we would not have traded down. - People on here liked Cooper DeJean and some may have thought him heading towards 'superstar status', but I didn't see it myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2024 4:33:32 GMT -7
Editing this post because dont want to start a argument here. So you claim my prediction was based off your post 
Below is a post showing my prediction for this season WELL before our discussion:
Posted on Apr 28, 2024 at 12:17pm
"IMO the Cards are still far apart from being a playoff team. I think 6-8 wins next year is the best they could do. Alot of young talent to infuse and the defense is still pretty bad. Going to take another draft at least to get that situated. "
You also claimed I didnt think MHJ was a WR1, again you are wrong:
Posted on Jun 8, 2024 at 2:16pm
Posted on Jun 2, 2024 at 5:23am
Posted on May 15, 2024 at 5:41am
There thats it, wont say anything else. Just stop the assumptions..
I really could care less. What I do remember was you saying the roster is "full of holes", primarily due to the fact you have zero faith in any draft pick including MHJ, and zero faith even in any of the FA signings. Yet NOW you're saying they'll possibly double the '23 W total. 🙄🙄 And you talk about me, claiming I am changing the subject. All you do is move the goal post. I never said I didnt have faith in MJH, you are lying, actually you arent lying you are just trolling. I already proved otherwise. You just throw out whatever knowing you are wrong, but could care less, because thats what trolls do. Its ok, I have facts, you have hurt feelings. |
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Jul 6, 2024 15:26:53 GMT -7
I think the national writers are spot on. I've been on this forum since 2005. There hasn't been a draft that this forum hasn't loved. Every year, the fans here think we nailed it. Even the worst Steve Keim drafts like the 2016 and 2017 drafts were met with love. And when the national media criticized our draft or talent back then, the fans couldn't accept it.
Last year's draft was met with rave reviews by the pundits. A year later, we can see the draft was overrated. THe 2023 was clearly not deserving of an A. Even redrafts lowered our grade. I was truly surprised this draft received so many high grades. With the exception of Marvin Harrison, Darius Robinson and Trey Benson, the rest of our draft was mediocre. We didn't do enough to address the offensive and defensive line. We passed on better cornerbacks yet drafted way too many defensive backs. I think this was a solid B draft but certainly not worthy of an A.
When friends living in other cities ask me about the Cardinals, my honest assessment is we are still 2 years away from being a playoff caliber team. We are not going to make the playoffs this season. And next year we have a chance but I don't think we will make the playoffs then either. The team is truly deficient in talent and we have needs at nearly every position.
Ossenfort tends to get cute like Keim. I wish he would focus on drafting proven players from the top 15-20 programs who have a knack for staying healthy. Not a fan of drafting projects or raw talent early in the draft ie Max Melton.
I have still the wait and see approach on this draft I was not that happy with last year's draft see my threads on losing TE Sam Laporta, just as an example. There were other players as well. I learned my lesson being happy with Isaiah Simmons he was a great athlete not s great player. Byron Murphy I predicted the Cardinals would draft him as I did with Simmons Andy Isabella < never was in his camp Kyler Murray ( I wanted Quinnen Williams) Kyler gets a second chance, Quinnen Williams is a star player. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Jul 6, 2024 17:17:07 GMT -7
I think the national writers are spot on. I've been on this forum since 2005. There hasn't been a draft that this forum hasn't loved. Every year, the fans here think we nailed it. Even the worst Steve Keim drafts like the 2016 and 2017 drafts were met with love. And when the national media criticized our draft or talent back then, the fans couldn't accept it.
Last year's draft was met with rave reviews by the pundits. A year later, we can see the draft was overrated. THe 2023 was clearly not deserving of an A. Even redrafts lowered our grade. I was truly surprised this draft received so many high grades. With the exception of Marvin Harrison, Darius Robinson and Trey Benson, the rest of our draft was mediocre. We didn't do enough to address the offensive and defensive line. We passed on better cornerbacks yet drafted way too many defensive backs. I think this was a solid B draft but certainly not worthy of an A.
When friends living in other cities ask me about the Cardinals, my honest assessment is we are still 2 years away from being a playoff caliber team. We are not going to make the playoffs this season. And next year we have a chance but I don't think we will make the playoffs then either. The team is truly deficient in talent and we have needs at nearly every position.
Ossenfort tends to get cute like Keim. I wish he would focus on drafting proven players from the top 15-20 programs who have a knack for staying healthy. Not a fan of drafting projects or raw talent early in the draft ie Max Melton.
I appreciate your view and opinion. Myself, I have been guilty of many positive thoughts with the harsh hit of reality as the season or seasons results crush much of the positive thoughts and hopes. Personally I am not bond to any of the former negative results. Every season is a rebirth for positive thoughts on the new season. This season isn't any different and the Cards are currently undefeated and have as good of a chance at a championship as any team. I do vary on your thoughts expressed as per Monti and the new coaches. Monti and JG have a better relationship than any SK had with coaches. The new coaches are the best I have witnessed in the desert for getting production and positive results from young players and actually developing young players. The 12 picks by Monti in the 2024 draft do not seem like reaches from my viewpoint. The best non-QB in years MHJ seems like a solid choice as well as Robinson who is a long athletic freak who is smart who played in the best college division and conference seems smart as well. A solid Rutgers CB who's brother plays in the NFL as well as a CB who has played the most snaps of any player in Boston College's history doesn't sound like a risky pick. Two Ill players a great T who is selfless and can play G as well as one of the best athletic TE's who is almost as big as a OL player and loves to block and a great T from Texas seem safe and smart as picks. Maybe the best RB in the draft who is large and fast, who played at FSU and Oregon seems safe and smart. One of the best S prospects in the draft, two more big WRs and another CB from Florida and a big DT from NC and a very consistent LS are not reaches as late picks or UDFA's that are more or less free flyers. The real key on present and future success is the QB and K1 is in his best preseason positioning to have success and the youngest and maybe the best supporting cast on offense he has ever had in his FB career. If the Cards are going to break free from being the same old Cards it will be this year IMHO. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Jul 6, 2024 17:52:05 GMT -7
Many in the media say their basis for ranking Cards low is based on past performances and they will adjust when Cards prove otherwise. Weak.
I like Bill Belichick words years ago after many SB victories as his team was preparing for a SB game. " Playoff experience doesn't win games. Players playing well is the difference."
The Cards have no past performances of great results to draw on in 2024. This is not a requirement, despite what we are told. Players, playing and performing well and coaches preparing and developing players and team buy-in and sticking together as a team is what is required.
The NFL is a QB driven league. Cards have a talented QB with solid coaching currently and a more complete roster supporting him. 2024 will be a great opportunity to prove these are not the same old Cards.
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