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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 26, 2024 7:39:32 GMT -7
They didn't draft a single impact rookie last year and that was even after picking top 5 w/ a team playing for nothing let's be serious here. How do you have a team w/ no remote superstars and all the PT available and have 0 guys w/ honorable mention for a rookie team? It's okay to be honest Who cares about impact? They are rebuilding. No players made an impact last year. The team sucked, but the rookies got valuable playing time. Cards were busy shedding bad contracts and bad drafts from the past. You cannot expect a team rebuilding like the Cardianls who were not expected to even win a single game last year to have impact rookies. Now surround them with talent and see what happens. Would Anderson been an impact player for the Cardinals if they picked him instead of trading down? You talk about how ridiculous fans are about wanting to trade down, yet your statement sounds just as ridiculous acting like a draft class has to make an immediate impact to make the draft class successful or not. It takes time, especially when you are surrounded by a really bad team. This is a team sport, good players help make it easier for others. When you have a crappy dline who cannot keep the olinemen off the LB's at the second level, does that mean the LB you just drafted isnt good? The Cardinals needed players at almost every position last year and had 1 draft. In some cases they needed multiple players in one position. What impact are you expecting? Most of the season they played with a backup QB as their starting QB. Fans have some really outlandish expectations about this organization. When you are starting over, it takes time. I remember getting reamed when I said its going to take at least 3-4 years in this rebuild. Fans said 2 years. Yet here we are, year 2 and still far off from being a good team. Why? Because this team needs a lot of work. In many ways the Cards are in better shape as per roster going into 2024 than I thought they would be. Why…Monti cleaned house and JG was able to hold current players to a standard and cut the ones who were not up to standard mentally or as per performance. JG also disciplined players like CB Clark. The rest of the team responded well and K1 did things many thought he was unable to do as well as acted as a better teammate. Monti and JG are great together and the change is significant in a positive way.
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Post by ~MainEvent~ on Apr 26, 2024 17:16:54 GMT -7
They didn't draft a single impact rookie last year and that was even after picking top 5 w/ a team playing for nothing let's be serious here. How do you have a team w/ no remote superstars and all the PT available and have 0 guys w/ honorable mention for a rookie team? It's okay to be honest Who cares about impact? What? Lol if you’re picking top 3 in the draft and you’re not looking for an impact player(s) then what are you doing? We just traded down and got like the 6th best corner in the draft but I guess y’all are happy cause we got an extra 3rd right? Lol we sucked for a reason and you’re over here pushing aside impact players for “depth” when the “depth” isn’t good. And yes Will Anderson absolutely would have been more impactful than Paris Johnson and Ojulari you serious? You forgetting the Texans were supposed to suck last year? Let’s not pretend that team was suddenly littered with talent all of a sudden, they were good cause they hit on impact players
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Post by redbirdwatcher on Apr 26, 2024 17:37:46 GMT -7
Well,,, he is a Cardinal now. I try/like to be upbeat and supportive of our young, new, excited-to-be a Cardinal. I like giving him our support all the time. Go Cards! Go Max!!!
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 26, 2024 18:01:28 GMT -7
Well,,, he is a Cardinal now. I try/like to be upbeat and supportive of our young, new, excited-to-be a Cardinal. I like giving him our support all the time. Go Cards! Go Max!!! I can't question this until I see results A few years back I picked us to draft Isaiah Simmons in the 1st 4 months before the draft. That was a terrible pick by me even though I was right. I thought he was a sure fire star. He was up and down every game not consistent. I just don't like us keeping so many of Keim's scouting crew.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 26, 2024 18:03:06 GMT -7
Well,,, he is a Cardinal now. I try/like to be upbeat and supportive of our young, new, excited-to-be a Cardinal. I like giving him our support all the time. Go Cards! Go Max!!! I can't question this until I see results A few years back I picked us to draft Isaiah Simmons in the 1st 4 months before the draft. That was a terrible pick by me even though I was right. I thought he was a sure fire star. He was up and down every game not consistent. I just don't like us keeping so many of Keim's scouting crew. The other issue I have is that we let three other corners go before we pick a corner which was Melton Not making a lot of sense just to get a late 3rd
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 26, 2024 18:05:37 GMT -7
Well all the top Edge rushers are gone
And that was our biggest need
Maybe we draft 4 of them in the 3rd LOL
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Post by redbirdwatcher on Apr 26, 2024 18:51:09 GMT -7
Well,,, he is a Cardinal now. I try/like to be upbeat and supportive of our young, new, excited-to-be a Cardinal. I like giving him our support all the time. Go Cards! Go Max!!! I can't question this until I see results A few years back I picked us to draft Isaiah Simmons in the 1st 4 months before the draft. That was a terrible pick by me even though I was right. I thought he was a sure fire star. He was up and down every game not consistent. I just don't like us keeping so many of Keim's scouting crew. Well, I was a big Simmon's fan and liked the pick. I wanted him. Don't know anything about the scouting dept . Nothing to do (I don't think) with this pick/draft.
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Post by cbltv on Apr 26, 2024 20:13:23 GMT -7
What? Lol if you’re picking top 3 in the draft and you’re not looking for an impact player(s) then what are you doing? We just traded down and got like the 6th best corner in the draft but I guess y’all are happy cause we got an extra 3rd right? Lol we sucked for a reason and you’re over here pushing aside impact players for “depth” when the “depth” isn’t good. And yes Will Anderson absolutely would have been more impactful than Paris Johnson and Ojulari you serious? You forgetting the Texans were supposed to suck last year? Let’s not pretend that team was suddenly littered with talent all of a sudden, they were good cause they hit on impact players 1st 7 picks in this draft for the Cards have multiple "Impact players". Heck just these 1st 3 rds would please most NFL teams to have these 7 picks of this quality besides number of. And we still have 5 picks tomorrow. Not sure why you think your evaluation of Impact Players is better than this years picks so far.
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 27, 2024 17:16:11 GMT -7
According to this graph, we reached versus consensus.
Not saying that they were bad picks, but that we didn't vote according to what draft heads thought we should have done.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 27, 2024 17:44:18 GMT -7
According to this graph, we reached versus consensus. Not saying that they were bad picks, but that we didn't vote according to what draft heads thought we should have done. Yeah, this was clear by pick #35 trade down, or maybe even our pick #27 (a guy I wanted at #35). After that, the big boards out there meant nothing to Monti and Gannon. They took the young men they wanted on their team. This is a draft I will be judging Monti on five years from now.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on May 3, 2024 17:55:26 GMT -7
Well,
He is no longer with the Cardinals
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Post by somecardsfan on May 3, 2024 21:58:47 GMT -7
What? Lol if you’re picking top 3 in the draft and you’re not looking for an impact player(s) then what are you doing? We just traded down and got like the 6th best corner in the draft but I guess y’all are happy cause we got an extra 3rd right? Lol we sucked for a reason and you’re over here pushing aside impact players for “depth” when the “depth” isn’t good. And yes Will Anderson absolutely would have been more impactful than Paris Johnson and Ojulari you serious? You forgetting the Texans were supposed to suck last year? Let’s not pretend that team was suddenly littered with talent all of a sudden, they were good cause they hit on impact players Right Texans were good because of Anderson got it. As I said what impact did you expect in year one of a draft on a bad roster? Fans like your self expect the team to turn around in one year on a rebuild and think one year draft class should be a bunch of pro bowlers. Then some media outlet says cards bad draft and you believe them. Who cares about impact last year. The team was not good and weren't suppose to be good. Texans hit on a good QB and a easy schedule. Cards had a backup QB at center and a bunch of rookies and practice squad players playing with no depth. Gee crazy to think they are trying for quality depth, I wonder why
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Post by cardinalsins on May 4, 2024 14:59:01 GMT -7
Most folks consider Paris to be a good draft pick...at least that's what I see from social media that's Cards centric.
While tackles do take time to develop, I'm not sure if Paris is worth the first round pick so far. He allowed a ton of sacks last year...he'll need to show some improvement this year.
Here was the trade from last year...
3 nd 105 overall pick in the NFL Draft to the Houston Texans, who selected Will Anderson out of Alabama. In return, the Texans sent the No. 12 and No. 33 overall picks, as well as a first- and third-rounder in the 2024 draft to Arizona
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Post by Dry Heat on May 4, 2024 17:16:11 GMT -7
Most folks consider Paris to be a good draft pick...at least that's what I see from social media that's Cards centric. While tackles do take time to develop, I'm not sure if Paris is worth the first round pick so far. He allowed a ton of sacks last year...he'll need to show some improvement this year. Here was the trade from last year... 3 nd 105 overall pick in the NFL Draft to the Houston Texans, who selected Will Anderson out of Alabama. In return, the Texans sent the No. 12 and No. 33 overall picks, as well as a first- and third-rounder in the 2024 draft to Arizona Will revisit this in 2027!
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Post by cardinalsins on May 7, 2024 19:44:57 GMT -7
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