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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 6, 2024 9:43:09 GMT -7
Is this supporting a narrative ? What I posted was the result of their drafts but still teams are built through the draft just factual correct ? Have those teams done well yes but it was not done through just the draft like some try to promote. All they are showing is the home runs and the teams that have done well not the reality of their drafting. Think about the picks they have spent on Qb like the 49ers and still don't have their Mahomes. Mahomes was the best draft move they ever made not bad getting Tyreek and Kelce but they also picked up good free agents and made good trades. How many Lombardi's do they have because of striking gold at Qb ? How bout the patriots ? Take Brady away what would have happened there ? They to drafted ok but they have done their share of trading for talent and signing free agents, Bottomline the drafts are not dominated by anyone. It shows starting seasons too. A pretty good metric to show that drafting well leads to players...actually playing. What in your opinion is drafting well ? Hits vs misses percentage wise. You have to hit on your early picks and even then you need some luck. Do you think we have a GM scout team on the level of the 49ers and K.C. ? If not we are screwed. What we need is to draft stars that is what K.C. and 49ers have done. can we do that when we are more concerned with trading down and getting more picks. When I look at the 49ers best players. I will give them this they have a lot of players that fit their scheme and that makes me better because that seems to be what MO and company wants for the cardinals. I think the teams everyone looks to do know how to build a team but it's not just draft picks they choose themselves and who they get fits and they develop well. Aiyuk they drafted first round Fred Warner drafted 3rd round Nick Bosa drafted first round Trent Williams traded for him Christian McCaffrey Traded for
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 6, 2024 9:49:20 GMT -7
It shows starting seasons too. A pretty good metric to show that drafting well leads to players...actually playing. What in your opinion is drafting well ? Hits vs misses percentage wise. You have to hit on your early picks and even then you need some luck. Do you think we have a GM scout team on the level of the 49ers and K.C. ? If not we are screwed. What we need is to draft stars that is what K.C. and 49ers have done. can we do that when we are more concerned with trading down and getting more picks. When I look at the 49ers best players. I will give them this they have a lot of players that fit their scheme and that makes me better because that seems to be what MO and company wants for the cardinals. I think the teams everyone looks to do know how to build a team but it's not just draft picks they choose themselves and who they get fits and they develop well. Aiyuk they drafted first round Fred Warner drafted 3rd round Nick Bosa drafted first round Trent Williams traded for him Christian McCaffrey Traded for The darn McCaffery heist deal with the Panthers and drafting Mr. Irrelevant Purdy saved Lynch's job from the Trey Lance debacle. Without McCaffery and Purdy, the 49ers are a .500 team. P.S. I posed on another thread for Monti to use pick #35 and maybe a 2025 mid rounder to go get DL Derrick Brown from the Panthers. I even stated I'd pay D. Brown 4 Yr. $104M -- but sadly the Panthers resigned him for 4 Yr. $96M this past week so that dream is gone.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 6, 2024 12:39:34 GMT -7
What in your opinion is drafting well ? Hits vs misses percentage wise. You have to hit on your early picks and even then you need some luck. Do you think we have a GM scout team on the level of the 49ers and K.C. ? If not we are screwed. What we need is to draft stars that is what K.C. and 49ers have done. can we do that when we are more concerned with trading down and getting more picks. When I look at the 49ers best players. I will give them this they have a lot of players that fit their scheme and that makes me better because that seems to be what MO and company wants for the cardinals. I think the teams everyone looks to do know how to build a team but it's not just draft picks they choose themselves and who they get fits and they develop well. Aiyuk they drafted first round Fred Warner drafted 3rd round Nick Bosa drafted first round Trent Williams traded for him Christian McCaffrey Traded for The darn McCaffery heist deal with the Panthers and drafting Mr. Irrelevant Purdy saved Lynch's job from the Trey Lance debacle. Without McCaffery and Purdy, the 49ers are a .500 team. P.S. I posed on another thread for Monti to use pick #35 and maybe a 2025 mid rounder to go get DL Derrick Brown from the Panthers. I even stated I'd pay D. Brown 4 Yr. $104M -- but sadly the Panthers resigned him for 4 Yr. $96M this past week so that dream is gone. I like what Monti did so far but I feel he has to be willing to trade picks to aquire goodestablished players. We need youth but we also need proven players to go along with the youth. I know our Qb salary hurts but we can't just say KM is the guy yet and that sucks after 5 seasons and we pass up on Qb. Well if we have another bad year we have to be willing to go after a Qb next year. I don't see anything in tune that makes me think he will ever be a franchise Qb.
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 6, 2024 17:00:16 GMT -7
It shows starting seasons too. A pretty good metric to show that drafting well leads to players...actually playing. What in your opinion is drafting well ? Hits vs misses percentage wise. You have to hit on your early picks and even then you need some luck. Do you think we have a GM scout team on the level of the 49ers and K.C. ? If not we are screwed. What we need is to draft stars that is what K.C. and 49ers have done. can we do that when we are more concerned with trading down and getting more picks. When I look at the 49ers best players. I will give them this they have a lot of players that fit their scheme and that makes me better because that seems to be what MO and company wants for the cardinals. I think the teams everyone looks to do know how to build a team but it's not just draft picks they choose themselves and who they get fits and they develop well. Aiyuk they drafted first round Fred Warner drafted 3rd round Nick Bosa drafted first round Trent Williams traded for him Christian McCaffrey Traded for For the record...I support getting players in FA too. You have to be good everywhere.
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Post by somecardsfan on Apr 8, 2024 5:55:19 GMT -7
The 49ers people seem to think they were built through the draft but were they ? they drafted a few good players but they flat out got lucky made some good trades and they still don't have the Qb. take a look for yourself, they gave away a lot of picks for Qb's they kept a middle of the road very average Qb Jimmy G while making trades and signing free agents. Trey lance was a bust where would they be if they didn't get lucky with purdy but he might be the reason they don't win a ring. Anytime you have a shot at a Qb and you need one you take them. I have not seen anything since season 2 of KM that he might be a franchise Qb. We are playing Russian Roulette and relying on the draft. Show me a contender that hasn't made good trades or free agent signings that did it all through the draft. Like I have said in the past people place too much on draft picks. Contenders now got some key players but the whole team is not built through the draft. Most contenders drafted their Qb's and many see that Qb might be what stops the 49ers. Give me any team that is a contender and or won SB's and in most cases they drafted their Qb and didn't build the team through the draft. I would like for someone to point out a contender that was built through the draft we are placing way to much on draft picks. You need to draft a Qb draft a few stars and use free agency and use your picks for players. Everyone thinking you build through the draft they point to the 49ers and I don't get it. www.drafthistory.com/teams/49ers.htmlYou cant generalize this team, it has specific issues. Mainly, they hardly ever build through the draft and just tried to do it through free agency. And they have sucked at it. Their drafting has also been very bad in the Keim years. So now they are trying to build MOSTLY through the draft in this rebuild mode, which they should be doing and happy they are are doing this. They can go sign big name free agents down the road, but they first need to have a core of players to build off of. 49ers are used in my examples because they are one of few teams that have a decent QB, but not a big all star QB and still are very successful. But just like with other teams, they have made bad decisions, especially at the QB spot.
They got lucky with the last pick of the draft actually being good enough to help the 49ers be a better team. But draft picks are very important to the Cardinals right now because they are starting from scratch. This team is far from being a good team by signing a couple of big name FA players. The problem in the past is, they wasted all that money trying to plug up holes with FA players, though usually over the hill players. And it may have worked in the early part, but in the long run those players were just over the hill and flamed out and the Cardinals were stuck. Remember when they traded their first round pick for Hollywood Brown? How did that work out?
Or they sign these one year deals, the player performs well and leaves for a bigger contract or Cardinals over pay. JJ Watt is a good example. So it appears this team with the new regime is done with plugging holes to just be a mediocre team now for a chance to be a good long lasting team down the road. They now appear to use their draft picks as assets and not take risks signing former big name players. They arent jumping the gun and giving their young players actual play time and let them get experience. They are cleaning up the payroll mess of owing all that money to players with ridiculous contracts.
Hopkins was again another good trade up front, but as time went on he missed games and wasnt a big part of the team and yet Cardinals were on the hook for his bloated contract. So yeah, draft picks is a big deal for the specific needs of the Cardinals right now. Will they be successful? Will they get lucky? Way too early to tell, but at least IMO they are finally doing it right.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 8, 2024 10:19:40 GMT -7
I like what Monti did so far but I feel he has to be willing to trade picks to aquire goodestablished players. We need youth but we also need proven players to go along with the youth. I know our Qb salary hurts but we can't just say KM is the guy yet and that sucks after 5 seasons and we pass up on Qb. Well if we have another bad year we have to be willing to go after a Qb next year. I don't see anything in tune that makes me think he will ever be a franchise Qb. Monti has been here one year. He has a plan. Year one was clearing contracts and acquiring extra draft capital. He did that. Year two is evaluating Kyler and acquiring draft talent to develop while he figures Kyler question out. Next year, we will be active in free agency. The Kyler part is of course key to everything. Kyler can't just play decent football. I'm sure many will be happy "I told you so types" if Kyler does, but he's not getting paid to play decent. He's got to play commensurate with what his contract is paying him, because he's not being paid to be a game manager. If he doesn't average at least 300 yards, and a 2.5 to 1 TD/int ratio, he needs to be traded. His contract is paying him to produce more than that, but I think that's the minimum he needs to produce or he will be asked to restructured.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 8, 2024 20:57:18 GMT -7
I like what Monti did so far but I feel he has to be willing to trade picks to aquire goodestablished players. We need youth but we also need proven players to go along with the youth. I know our Qb salary hurts but we can't just say KM is the guy yet and that sucks after 5 seasons and we pass up on Qb. Well if we have another bad year we have to be willing to go after a Qb next year. I don't see anything in tune that makes me think he will ever be a franchise Qb. Monti has been here one year. He has a plan. Year one was clearing contracts and acquiring extra draft capital. He did that. Year two is evaluating Kyler and acquiring draft talent to develop while he figures Kyler question out. Next year, we will be active in free agency. The Kyler part is of course key to everything. Kyler can't just play decent football. I'm sure many will be happy "I told you so types" if Kyler does, but he's not getting paid to play decent. He's got to play commensurate with what his contract is paying him, because he's not being paid to be a game manager. If he doesn't average at least 300 yards, and a 2.5 to 1 TD/int ratio, he needs to be traded. His contract is paying him to produce more than that, but I think that's the minimum he needs to produce or he will be asked to restructured. I was against the big contract until he started going the right direction and that didn't happen. after the first two seasons he has not been worth what he is being paid but there is nothing we can do about it until we have an answer, Qb waiting or we are to move him or he does start looking like the guy the 2nd season. We are gonna have to hope for the best it's all we can do from here on, Either way we need to get weapons for KM or whoever will take his place.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 9, 2024 4:59:30 GMT -7
Building a roster - 1) Value PREMIUM POSITIONS as stated above. 2) Hit on early draft rounds for premium position players 3) ONLY draft premium positions in Rds #1 - #2 4) Don't acquire Free Agents whom are 30+ and sign to multi-year deals 5) Draft well enough to get players at premium positions to 2nd contract 6) Drafting well and having players the team would like to keep allows the GM to manipulate the CAP via extension maximizing use of certain bonuses and use of Void Years. 7) Must have Coaches who can maximize picks with PLAYER DEVELOPMENT SK mistakes - used 1st rd picks on "off ball" linebackers which no other team valued. Acquiring free agents who are older and get hurt more often. Never drafting well - Hump is the only player of recent drafts who the team wanted to sign to a 2nd contract and pro-rating signing bonuses to lower cap hits. One additional HUGE mistake the Cards former GM made - NEVER, EVER, EVER -- spend a 1st round pick and then try to make the player learn a new position especially at a position where innate INSTINCTS are so important (e.g. LB - Safety - WR). The Reddick and unfortunately probably the Zaven Collins picks are painful reminders of the above axiom holding true. LB's who have incredible physical tools (e.g. Isaiah Simmons) but below average instincts are doomed to failure. IMV, football instinct is overrated. Or perhaps the phrase is used incorrectly. Instinct is a hardwired response to environmental input, such as danger and fear -- I see a pack of hungry wolves and I run to safety (waist-deep water, a tall tree, a cave!). Football IQ -- I see a WR in the open and I know he is a scoring threat so I cover the WR. I prefer to use the phrase Football IQ. That process involves observing, experiencing, learning, and reinforcing behavior. Uniquely gifted athleticism is required.
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