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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 3, 2024 7:20:46 GMT -7
What if a team or teams is after Kyler and not the fourth pick ? Could the cardinal's be considering that trade ? I never really even thought this could happen not sure I would do it anyways. Is it a possibility that a team or teams is after Kyler ? Now that would be a complete rebuild. I know that GM mentioned it but man maybe there is more to it then we think. I really don't think that is on the table but something MO said we will do what is best for the cardinals kinda sounding like everything is on the table.
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Post by knobby on Apr 3, 2024 7:42:11 GMT -7
What if a team or teams is after Kyler and not the fourth pick ? Could the cardinal's be considering that trade ? I never really even thought this could happen not sure I would do it anyways. Is it a possibility that a team or teams is after Kyler ? Now that would be a complete rebuild. I know that GM mentioned it but man maybe there is more to it then we think. I really don't think that is on the table but something MO said we will do what is best for the cardinals kinda sounding like everything is on the table.
Could happen. Any player is just one piece of a puzzle to be assembled correctly. If KM has been judged lacking in some specific area(s) and the brains decide to offer him, that's what they are paid for. If they are wrong, they become judged. Everyone must do his job and do it very well to reach the top.
But it would be a surprise to most of us - and probably most in the league.
IMHO
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 3, 2024 7:47:33 GMT -7
Over-thinking. That’s not gonna happen. Kyler is our QB1 for at least 2 more years. This is the year they begin surrounding him with talent.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 3, 2024 8:03:22 GMT -7
Over-thinking. That’s not gonna happen. Kyler is our QB1 for at least 2 more years. This is the year they begin surrounding him with talent. I honestly never say never but this would be a very bold move if it happened. What if let's say the vikings give you plenty of copensation and take that contract off your hands ? What if they came and said we will give you the 11th pick and our 2nd or 3rd round pick would you do it ? You could either take the Qb or let one fall to you at the 11th or have a worse year and take Qb next year drafting a later round Qb this year and build the trench's maybe take that wr and then focus on the lines. People have said in here you don't need a star Qb but you do need a solid team around that average Qb.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 3, 2024 8:03:29 GMT -7
Over-thinking. That’s not gonna happen. Kyler is our QB1 for at least 2 more years. This is the year they begin surrounding him with talent. DH, I agree mostly, and the reason KM is not moving on is because his contract is a poison pill for ARZ and potentially the new team. Example, PIT would not have touched Wilson's nutty contract without DEN paying almost the entire contract cost for PIT in 2024. I can't see Bidwill paying Murray to play QB for DAL, as example, just to get Murray out of the locker room like the Walton Mgt group did by moving Wilson out of DEN. Beginning in 2025, if Murray doesn't substantially improve the Cardinals W/L rankings, all bets are off on a potential KM trade. But then at that year's draft, ARZ is looking at a near-bare QB cupboard. Thus, Bidwill will think hard and long before giving up on Murray even after two more years of average performance.
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Post by knobby on Apr 3, 2024 8:05:31 GMT -7
Over-thinking. That’s not gonna happen. Kyler is our QB1 for at least 2 more years. This is the year they begin surrounding him with talent.
Probably, but - - - I'd almost bet that it has been mentioned by at least one of the
teams Monti has spoken with, if for no other reason than to rock the negotiation
boat. It's a common tactic to ask for the moon. Or a swap of high salaried players to balance the deal? No way to know either way.
Maybe something will be revealed in the dim future. Or not.
All idle speculation from utter boredom, so truly FWIW.
IMHO
EDIT: Let's say one of the elite QBs was available at #4, but the Vikings had lost their desired choice QB to another team... might they then consider a
trade option with the Cardinals including KM for two of their high-dollar
players + picks? That would even out Cards' payroll considerations for KM and help our needs elsewhere, and still give more picks to us. We could either stick with our two backup QBs for a season, or if we liked a later available QB, draft him. Just a thought, and the Vikes used only as an example. This could be a weird year for the draft.
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Post by respecttheprocess on Apr 3, 2024 8:21:34 GMT -7
What if a team or teams is after Kyler and not the fourth pick ? Could the cardinal's be considering that trade ? I never really even thought this could happen not sure I would do it anyways. Is it a possibility that a team or teams is after Kyler ? Now that would be a complete rebuild. I know that GM mentioned it but man maybe there is more to it then we think. I really don't think that is on the table but something MO said we will do what is best for the cardinals kinda sounding like everything is on the table. Not happening. No one will touch his contract. Has an ACL injury in his past. Has not shown consistent pocket play and pocket reads to warrant contract. Limited under center play. Vision issues. Does not see and attack middle of the field with effective crossing routes. NFL tape is out there on how to defend him. In essence…he’s our QB until we either surround him with enough talent to overcome his issues, correct his issues, incorporate more effective play calling to address his issues or, if not, eat the contract. All of the above point to us keeping him because of no willing trade partners are out there IMO. Therefore…let’s get on with it…draft MHJ and sink or swim with him…at least for (1) more year before eating the contract tastes a little better.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 3, 2024 12:41:29 GMT -7
There are several reasons he won’t be traded but the biggest one is and has always been the contract. We’d have to receive a ton of compensation just for the massive dead cap hit, or we’d have to eat the massive cap hit.
Listen, I’ve gone over it a bunch of times. He’s a young #1 pick who has been ROTY and a Pro Bowler for us, who was just given a second massive contract that is too poison to move on from in its first three years. He came back from ACL and played well for the new regime, and now he will have a better roster and a full season including OTAs and camp. He’s been declared “Our QBOF” on social media.
Next year we could trade him and recover $14 million cap with a $28 million dead cap hit. Probably won’t happen. 2026 we can trade with $35 million recovered and an $18 million hit. That is more reasonable if after two years he doesn’t perform.
Everyone is getting too bored. Three weeks. Then things start rolling!
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 3, 2024 16:44:19 GMT -7
I'm just going to throw this one out there to shake things up. What about trading kyler Murray to the cowboys for Dak Prescott straight up? Seems like there are a lot of people on this forum and it's fine because we're all entitled to have their opinion that are in favor of getting rid of the little dude so with any of y'all swapping for prescott?
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 3, 2024 18:48:28 GMT -7
I'm just going to throw this one out there to shake things up. What about trading kyler Murray to the cowboys for Dak Prescott straight up? Seems like there are a lot of people on this forum and it's fine because we're all entitled to have their opinion that are in favor of getting rid of the little dude so with any of y'all swapping for prescott? Given the contract issues, I think Dak is more likely to be traded period. His CAP is insane due to lack of extension. I don't see Monti taking another QB vet...more likely the rookie route...but not this year.
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Post by melgray85 on Apr 3, 2024 19:30:08 GMT -7
I seriously doubt this but it wouldn't surprise me. If the Commanders for example wanted Kyler instead of one of the remaining prospects (after the Bears take Caleb off the board) in exchange for their number 3 and say a third rounder at 100, I could see MO thinking (hmmm....)
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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 3, 2024 19:59:50 GMT -7
Over-thinking. That’s not gonna happen. Kyler is our QB1 for at least 2 more years. This is the year they begin surrounding him with talent.
Probably, but - - - I'd almost bet that it has been mentioned by at least one of the
teams Monti has spoken with, if for no other reason than to rock the negotiation
boat. It's a common tactic to ask for the moon. Or a swap of high salaried players to balance the deal? No way to know either way.
Maybe something will be revealed in the dim future. Or not.
All idle speculation from utter boredom, so truly FWIW.
IMHO
EDIT: Let's say one of the elite QBs was available at #4, but the Vikings had lost their desired choice QB to another team... might they then consider a
trade option with the Cardinals including KM for two of their high-dollar
players + picks? That would even out Cards' payroll considerations for KM and help our needs elsewhere, and still give more picks to us. We could either stick with our two backup QBs for a season, or if we liked a later available QB, draft him. Just a thought, and the Vikes used only as an example. This could be a weird year for the draft.
Hey scrappy…the edit is overflowing with hot and steaming scrap. LOLIMHOFWIW or in military terms lo…lim…hof…wiw From a mathematical standpoint…less growlers = greater edits. The edit is SK 101 or paying up for subtraction. Stevie goes for Hollywood…Relax, don’t do it When you wanna go to it Relax, don’t do it When you wanna pick him Relax, don’t do it Az going to suck, he blew it Relax, don’t do it
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Post by knobby on Apr 3, 2024 21:46:10 GMT -7
Probably, but - - - I'd almost bet that it has been mentioned by at least one of the
teams Monti has spoken with, if for no other reason than to rock the negotiation
boat. It's a common tactic to ask for the moon. Or a swap of high salaried players to balance the deal? No way to know either way.
Maybe something will be revealed in the dim future. Or not.
All idle speculation from utter boredom, so truly FWIW.
IMHO
EDIT: Let's say one of the elite QBs was available at #4, but the Vikings had lost their desired choice QB to another team... might they then consider a
trade option with the Cardinals including KM for two of their high-dollar
players + picks? That would even out Cards' payroll considerations for KM and help our needs elsewhere, and still give more picks to us. We could either stick with our two backup QBs for a season, or if we liked a later available QB, draft him. Just a thought, and the Vikes used only as an example. This could be a weird year for the draft.
Hey scrappy…the edit is overflowing with hot and steaming scrap. LOLIMHOFWIW or in military terms lo…lim…hof…wiw From a mathematical standpoint…less growlers = greater edits. The edit is SK 101 or paying up for subtraction. Stevie goes for Hollywood…Relax, don’t do it When you wanna go to it Relax, don’t do it When you wanna pick him Relax, don’t do it Az going to suck, he blew it Relax, don’t do it Are your saying that you find fault with that scenario??
It got you moving, didn't it? Even quoting some sort of musical (?) lyrics...
I'd say the edit worked fairly well. Action, man, action!
But for real, the Vikes have made some odd moves in the past and
given their fans fits in the process, and those fans now seem to be
unsure whether their brain trust indeed contains grey matter. Or so I infer.
To repeat, this may be a strange draft for many teams, not just the Cards or Vikings.
PT Barnum had it right. I hope MB, JG and MO are immune.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 4, 2024 3:12:38 GMT -7
I'm just going to throw this one out there to shake things up. What about trading kyler Murray to the cowboys for Dak Prescott straight up? Seems like there are a lot of people on this forum and it's fine because we're all entitled to have their opinion that are in favor of getting rid of the little dude so with any of y'all swapping for prescott? www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/That's 4 days late for the April Fool's Joke of the Day. Nonetheless, I moseyed over to Spotrac.com and checked out Prescott's contract situation. Per my analysis, if Prescott does not get a contract extension from Jerry Jones sometime in 2024, there's a better chance of Prescott moving on from the Cowboys in 2025. That is his best window to test Free Agency. The question is, would JJ agree to flip DK for KM prior to next season? Would MB also sign up for that trade given the sunk costs in the KM contract? I leave it to the billionaires to figure out if the math and ego's align. <1% chance, if you ask me.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 4, 2024 12:38:18 GMT -7
I'm just going to throw this one out there to shake things up. What about trading kyler Murray to the cowboys for Dak Prescott straight up? Seems like there are a lot of people on this forum and it's fine because we're all entitled to have their opinion that are in favor of getting rid of the little dude so with any of y'all swapping for prescott? www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/That's 4 days late for the April Fool's Joke of the Day. Nonetheless, I moseyed over to Spotrac.com and checked out Prescott's contract situation. Per my analysis, if Prescott does not get a contract extension from Jerry Jones sometime in 2024, there's a better chance of Prescott moving on from the Cowboys in 2025. That is his best window to test Free Agency. The question is, would JJ agree to flip DK for KM prior to next season? Would MB also sign up for that trade given the sunk costs in the KM contract? I leave it to the billionaires to figure out if the math and ego's align. <1% chance, if you ask me. in my humble opinion I would not trade the little dude for Prescott and the cowboys next to number one picks. I think Prescott is just like David kreig and Carson palmer and Philip Rivers. Just good enough to maybe get you there but not good enough to win it all
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