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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 29, 2024 12:55:09 GMT -7
JJ Watt -- will be interesting if he goes off during the 2024 season on CBS Sports against the "Hip Drop" tackle rule and how often the Chiefs OL holds DL but never get called for it. In previous podcast, Watt thinks the offensive holding penalty should be called far more but less punitive - his suggestion is a 7 yd penalty. JJ believes refs don't throw a flag for holding because a 15 yd penalty almost always stalls any offensive drive. Also why the 15 yd penalty and automatic 1st down is far too punitive on a hip-drop tackle causes him to be totally disgusted against the NFL rules committee. I expect most people that really like good defense and defensive players to not like the rule,that is expected. Dropping your weight on the back of a runners legs does cause many injuries. Probably one of the least serious injuries that happen high ankle sprains that can ruin a season for a key player. There are ways to make tackles without dropping your weight on the back of a ball carriers legs.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 29, 2024 14:07:12 GMT -7
Has anyone in this conversation ever tackled someone? This rule is ridiculous and will either be applied arbitrarily or force defensive players to simply let a guy go once past them. This is not like grabbing a face mask, taking a guy down from behind by his collar, targeting a guy’s head with your helmet, or nailing a WR while he’s defenseless up in the air attempting to catch a ball. This is not hitting a QB after he’s thrown the ball. This is an impossible ask of a defender at game speed, especially if the guy you are trying to take down has size and/or momentum on you.
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Post by thomas cat on Mar 29, 2024 21:15:38 GMT -7
Just a few of my own thoughts. I'm all for reducing injuries, but there are just too many questions when it comes to this rule. Just how do you tackle someone from behind? Do you just shove him in the back and hope he falls down? Do you dive at his ankles/knees? ( that can't be good for injuries ) If you grab his body with your arms, that sounds like that will end up being a penalty because you are probably going to end up landing on his legs. Most runs are 1,2,3 or 4 yards with a scrum of players all around. Somebody is going to grab them around the waist and possibly land on his legs. It will be very difficult to see who did what and whether there was a hip-drop or not. In my opinion, I just don't think they fully thought this thing out. Hopefully, the NFL will be open to adjust the penalty quickly if rulings get out of hand and cause more consternation than what it's worth. The last thing the NFL needs is more penalties that will be second guessed. They have enough already.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 30, 2024 4:14:23 GMT -7
Has anyone in this conversation ever tackled someone? This rule is ridiculous and will either be applied arbitrarily or force defensive players to simply let a guy go once past them. This is not like grabbing a face mask, taking a guy down from behind by his collar, targeting a guy’s head with your helmet, or nailing a WR while he’s defenseless up in the air attempting to catch a ball. This is not hitting a QB after he’s thrown the ball. This is an impossible ask of a defender at game speed, especially if the guy you are trying to take down has size and/or momentum on you. I played offense, so no, I didn't tackle much. I think the Defense and Special Teams coaches have a lot of work to do between April 15th and the end of pre-season, training the guys on all the new rules. I'm really looking forward to how ST exploits the kicking changes. We could see some exciting scoring. Or nothing new happens. About the little guys taking down the big guys, maybe think of it this way. In rodeo, a cowboy has a couple take-down options. One is similar to the banned hip-drop whereby the cowboy grabs the steer's head, twists on the horns, head, and neck, and then leverages the steer's body weight to take down the animal. The cowboy sometimes throws his legs into the animal's back legs. Take-down is fast, effective, and injury-free most rodeos. Another cowboy tackling technique is to throw his legs into the animal's front legs, causing the animal to trip and go down. That is more dangerous for the cowboy because the animal's weight can fall on the cowboy's legs and torso. I would not throw myself under the front feet of a racing 1,000-pound steer. Perhaps the Cardinals defenders should go to a local rodeo and practice bare-handed tackling of little steers with no horns. Arizona has rodeo's, right?
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Post by cardstj22 on Mar 30, 2024 6:48:21 GMT -7
It's a painful tackle, the hip drop one but get the flags ready. All about the money over tradition. Flags protect against all the lawsuits so they think. They'll be kicking themselves later because it'll work against them. The fans will leave. Not only do they lose their endzone seats to little doll houses for the rich with a cheezy fake plant in the corner; they also lose the game they love, action.
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Post by respecttheprocess on Mar 30, 2024 7:03:09 GMT -7
Has anyone in this conversation ever tackled someone? This rule is ridiculous and will either be applied arbitrarily or force defensive players to simply let a guy go once past them. This is not like grabbing a face mask, taking a guy down from behind by his collar, targeting a guy’s head with your helmet, or nailing a WR while he’s defenseless up in the air attempting to catch a ball. This is not hitting a QB after he’s thrown the ball. This is an impossible ask of a defender at game speed, especially if the guy you are trying to take down has size and/or momentum on you. I played offense, so no, I didn't tackle much. I think the Defense and Special Teams coaches have a lot of work to do between April 15th and the end of pre-season, training the guys on all the new rules. I'm really looking forward to how ST exploits the kicking changes. We could see some exciting scoring. Or nothing new happens. About the little guys taking down the big guys, maybe think of it this way. In rodeo, a cowboy has a couple take-down options. One is similar to the banned hip-drop whereby the cowboy grabs the steer's head, twists on the horns, head, and neck, and then leverages the steer's body weight to take down the animal. The cowboy sometimes throws his legs into the animal's back legs. Take-down is fast, effective, and injury-free most rodeos. Another cowboy tackling technique is to throw his legs into the animal's front legs, causing the animal to trip and go down. That is more dangerous for the cowboy because the animal's weight can fall on the cowboy's legs and torso. I would not throw myself under the front feet of a racing 1,000-pound steer. Perhaps the Cardinals defenders should go to a local rodeo and practice bare-handed tackling of little steers with no horns. Arizona has rodeo's, right? Or just go to a local school yard and watch how kids push somebody down to the ground in a rough two-hand touch football game? 🤔
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Post by knobby on Mar 30, 2024 11:05:26 GMT -7
Arizona has rodeo's, right? A very few these days - too many new residents from elsewhere who deem such things as primitive, crude, or even abhorrent. Phoenix used to have an annual rodeo and parade... long gone. "Cosmopolitan" and trendy things rule, and western themes have vanished. Progress? Not to me. It substitutes bodies, concrete, asphalt, traffic, pollution and noise for what used to be relaxed, quiet life. IMHO - of course.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 30, 2024 11:15:44 GMT -7
Arizona has rodeo's, right? A very few these days - too many new residents from elsewhere who deem such things as primitive, crude, or even abhorrent. Phoenix used to have an annual rodeo and parade... long gone. "Cosmopolitan" and trendy things rule, and western themes have vanished. Progress? Not to me. It substitutes bodies, concrete, asphalt, traffic, pollution and noise for what used to be relaxed, quiet life. IMHO - of course. I’ll be up in Montana this June. Hoping to catch one of the early rodeos on the circuit.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 30, 2024 14:17:53 GMT -7
Arizona has rodeo's, right? A very few these days - too many new residents from elsewhere who deem such things as primitive, crude, or even abhorrent. Phoenix used to have an annual rodeo and parade... long gone. "Cosmopolitan" and trendy things rule, and western themes have vanished. Progress? Not to me. It substitutes bodies, concrete, asphalt, traffic, pollution and noise for what used to be relaxed, quiet life. IMHO - of course. Is there any place that is safe for blue collar cowboys these days? Those are people too, just trying to make a living entertaining risk-averse folks like me.
Knobby, thanks for the insider's opinion about PHX progress(ives) changing the character of a town long-remembered as an affordable retiree sanctuary with an annual rodeo and parade of beef. Now you are suggesting PHX is just another sprawling, pricey, and crowded metropolis with water problems. I remember certain people ogling Kingsbury's spacious "cosmo estate" when he was hired. I liked his digs--not so much his head coaching. Later, I ogled that curvy eye candy gal named Veronica (Polish 'trainer') who traveled with Kliff and occasionally raised a skirt for her 3.5 million global admirers. For awhile, Veronica's photo was attached to every Kingsbury social note...whatever happened to her anyway? Back on topic...let's see how this new tackle rule plays out. Just like the PI and catch rule changes, it took some time for Refs to make better judgment calls. Refs eyes make mistakes. That's part of the game. Let's hope it's not the Cardinals making dumb tackles and earning a 15yd penalty because of bad refs eyes, or worse, deciding not to tackle a RB and allowing a him to whiz by for a big gain. IMHO.
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