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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 22, 2024 12:02:18 GMT -7
If the Cardinals trade down the only team they will trade with is the New York Giants, we only drop two spots and then we still get MHJ or if Harbaugh and chargers go agains't the grain and take MHJ we then take Alt. MB is close to the Mara family and they will get the Nod.
IMHO
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Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 22, 2024 12:24:06 GMT -7
JV podcast yesterday went over about half dozen proposed trade downs which are now being discussed on the internet (both Vikings/Giants). JV and Bo Brack rejected every single one of them. JV is of the opinion going to #11 is too much for Monti and a deal with the Giants might be more plausible.
It appears the sportswriters discussing trades up to #4 are paid shills for the Giants & Vikings as I've only seen one trade that should even be considered. For example a trade discussed was one report stating the Cards get #6 and #107 for #4. Are you kidding ?? - that doesn't even add up on the trade value chart and when a team desires a QB, the QB "tax" for a trade has always been AT LEAST 15-20%. For example, with a "tax" the #4 pick is worth 1800 * 1.15 = 2070 so IMO the Giants should be giving up pick #6 (1600) and #47 (430) BEFORE discussions even begin between Monti and the Giants. Possibly Monti should also try to get a 2025 4th rounder from the Giants.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 22, 2024 15:43:56 GMT -7
JV podcast yesterday went over about half dozen proposed trade downs which are now being discussed on the internet (both Vikings/Giants). JV and Bo Brack rejected every single one of them. JV is of the opinion going to #11 is too much for Monti and a deal with the Giants might be more plausible. It appears the sportswriters discussing trades up to #4 are paid shills for the Giants & Vikings as I've only seen one trade that should even be considered. For example a trade discussed was one report stating the Cards get #6 and #107 for #4. Are you kidding ?? - that doesn't even add up on the trade value chart and when a team desires a QB, the QB "tax" for a trade has always been AT LEAST 15-20%. For example, with a "tax" the #4 pick is worth 1800 * 1.15 = 2070 so IMO the Giants should be giving up pick #6 (1600) and #47 (430) BEFORE discussions even begin between Monti and the Giants. Possibly Monti should also try to get a 2025 4th rounder from the Giants. The league has a serious QB1 problem, and the Giants, Vikings, Broncos and Denver are just the tip of the iceberg in desperately QB-needy teams. We talk about them most because they are all within 10 spots down from our #4. the QB tax is not 15%. It is whatever a team is willing to pay to get their guy at by far the most important position on the team. If I’m Monti, for pick #4 QB1, I want 1800 points trade value chart plus 500ish. That means: 1. Take MHJ (worst case scenario is already a win!) 2. Try for Giants #6 (1600), #47 (430) AND #70 (240) = 2270, or a 470 point QB tax. We could realistically still get MHJ plus picks in 2nd and 3rd with a value of 670 points, which happens to be in the range of moving back into the end of the first round (#28 is 660 points). 3. Vikings #11 (1250), #23 (760) and an estimated #23 in the 2025 draft (380) = 2390, or a 590 point tax. Maybe give them our 2024 4th or 5th rounder to bring the tax closer to 500. You can run this scenario with Denver’s draft and player assets, Oakland’s, and whomever else down the line you see QB needy teams. Competition for our pick is key.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 22, 2024 18:03:23 GMT -7
JV podcast yesterday went over about half dozen proposed trade downs which are now being discussed on the internet (both Vikings/Giants). JV and Bo Brack rejected every single one of them. JV is of the opinion going to #11 is too much for Monti and a deal with the Giants might be more plausible. It appears the sportswriters discussing trades up to #4 are paid shills for the Giants & Vikings as I've only seen one trade that should even be considered. For example a trade discussed was one report stating the Cards get #6 and #107 for #4. Are you kidding ?? - that doesn't even add up on the trade value chart and when a team desires a QB, the QB "tax" for a trade has always been AT LEAST 15-20%. For example, with a "tax" the #4 pick is worth 1800 * 1.15 = 2070 so IMO the Giants should be giving up pick #6 (1600) and #47 (430) BEFORE discussions even begin between Monti and the Giants. Possibly Monti should also try to get a 2025 4th rounder from the Giants. It will cost the giant's both their 2nds it is gonna be exp for both because both teams need the Qb. We can stay or they can try the chargers but if a team does that with San Diego the other team could jump them so to assure you get your guy it is the 4th pick.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 22, 2024 18:53:25 GMT -7
JV podcast yesterday went over about half dozen proposed trade downs which are now being discussed on the internet (both Vikings/Giants). JV and Bo Brack rejected every single one of them. JV is of the opinion going to #11 is too much for Monti and a deal with the Giants might be more plausible. It appears the sportswriters discussing trades up to #4 are paid shills for the Giants & Vikings as I've only seen one trade that should even be considered. For example a trade discussed was one report stating the Cards get #6 and #107 for #4. Are you kidding ?? - that doesn't even add up on the trade value chart and when a team desires a QB, the QB "tax" for a trade has always been AT LEAST 15-20%. For example, with a "tax" the #4 pick is worth 1800 * 1.15 = 2070 so IMO the Giants should be giving up pick #6 (1600) and #47 (430) BEFORE discussions even begin between Monti and the Giants. Possibly Monti should also try to get a 2025 4th rounder from the Giants. It will cost the giant's both their 2nds it is gonna be exp for both because both teams need the Qb. We can stay or they can try the chargers but if a team does that with San Diego the other team could jump them so to assure you get your guy it is the 4th pick. They don’t have two second rounders do they? I suggested #6, their second rounder, and their third rounder at #70. I think that would be stretching as far as a team would go.
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Post by BigRedFan on Mar 22, 2024 22:30:34 GMT -7
The Cards are trading back imo. Just how far? it should be the Giants because they'll get MHJ at 6. How many generational (top 10 draft pick) wide receivers take their originally drafted team to the Super Bowl and win it all? Answer: *Tory Holt* #6 pick 1999 draft. Fitz was close.. Jamar Chase was close. They're too few and far between, imo. Build from the inside out.
*-* Kurt Warner replaced an injured Trent Green in that 1999 season. Holt's career blossomed because of Warner.
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Post by cbltv on Mar 23, 2024 8:16:55 GMT -7
The Cards are trading back imo. Just how far? it should be the Giants because they'll get MHJ at 6. How many generational (top 10 draft pick) wide receivers take their originally drafted team to the Super Bowl and win it all? Answer: *Tory Holt* #6 pick 1999 draft. Fitz was close.. Jamar Chase was close. They're too few and far between, imo. Build from the inside out. *-* Kurt Warner replaced an injured Trent Green in that 1999 season. Holt's career blossomed because of Warner. The 2 LSU WRs are as Good as MHJ. Nuff said.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 23, 2024 9:43:26 GMT -7
JV podcast yesterday went over about half dozen proposed trade downs which are now being discussed on the internet (both Vikings/Giants). JV and Bo Brack rejected every single one of them. JV is of the opinion going to #11 is too much for Monti and a deal with the Giants might be more plausible. It appears the sportswriters discussing trades up to #4 are paid shills for the Giants & Vikings as I've only seen one trade that should even be considered. For example a trade discussed was one report stating the Cards get #6 and #107 for #4. Are you kidding ?? - that doesn't even add up on the trade value chart and when a team desires a QB, the QB "tax" for a trade has always been AT LEAST 15-20%. For example, with a "tax" the #4 pick is worth 1800 * 1.15 = 2070 so IMO the Giants should be giving up pick #6 (1600) and #47 (430) BEFORE discussions even begin between Monti and the Giants. Possibly Monti should also try to get a 2025 4th rounder from the Giants. The league has a serious QB1 problem, and the Giants, Vikings, Broncos and Denver are just the tip of the iceberg in desperately QB-needy teams. We talk about them most because they are all within 10 spots down from our #4. the QB tax is not 15%. It is whatever a team is willing to pay to get their guy at by far the most important position on the team. If I’m Monti, for pick #4 QB1, I want 1800 points trade value chart plus 500ish. That means: 1. Take MHJ (worst case scenario is already a win!) 2. Try for Giants #6 (1600), #47 (430) AND #70 (240) = 2270, or a 470 point QB tax. We could realistically still get MHJ plus picks in 2nd and 3rd with a value of 670 points, which happens to be in the range of moving back into the end of the first round (#28 is 660 points). 3. Vikings #11 (1250), #23 (760) and an estimated #23 in the 2025 draft (380) = 2390, or a 590 point tax. Maybe give them our 2024 4th or 5th rounder to bring the tax closer to 500. You can run this scenario with Denver’s draft and player assets, Oakland’s, and whomever else down the line you see QB needy teams. Competition for our pick is key. Jeremiah's trade proposal was a joke
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 23, 2024 14:56:34 GMT -7
It will cost the giant's both their 2nds it is gonna be exp for both because both teams need the Qb. We can stay or they can try the chargers but if a team does that with San Diego the other team could jump them so to assure you get your guy it is the 4th pick. They don’t have two second rounders do they? I suggested #6, their second rounder, and their third rounder at #70. I think that would be stretching as far as a team would go. I thought they did. I have zero interest in trading with Minnesota unless JJ is involved. This an offense heavy draft and if we took that trade best players are defense. Sorry Minnesota there is a report they are gonna come strong well strong is dealing JJ to us anything less forget it. I have done so many drafts and the 11th spot does not sit well with our needs and the true strength of this draft.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 23, 2024 14:59:15 GMT -7
The Cards are trading back imo. Just how far? it should be the Giants because they'll get MHJ at 6. How many generational (top 10 draft pick) wide receivers take their originally drafted team to the Super Bowl and win it all? Answer: *Tory Holt* #6 pick 1999 draft. Fitz was close.. Jamar Chase was close. They're too few and far between, imo. Build from the inside out. *-* Kurt Warner replaced an injured Trent Green in that 1999 season. Holt's career blossomed because of Warner. The 2 LSU WRs are as Good as MHJ. Nuff said. I just do not agree with you on this. Too many are saying this and it just isn't true IMHO.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 23, 2024 16:29:47 GMT -7
They don’t have two second rounders do they? I suggested #6, their second rounder, and their third rounder at #70. I think that would be stretching as far as a team would go. I thought they did. I have zero interest in trading with Minnesota unless JJ is involved. This an offense heavy draft and if we took that trade best players are defense. Sorry Minnesota there is a report they are gonna come strong well strong is dealing JJ to us anything less forget it. I have done so many drafts and the 11th spot does not sit well with our needs and the true strength of this draft. You want a WR making $30+ million a year on our books when we have so many holes? He will be the highest paid WR in NFL history. He would take up over 10% of our cap. I value top three round, cheap rookie contracts very highly. Build the team with the draft, QB and lines out, and keep the contracts and cap under control. Then when you get close, spend some big money short term.
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Post by ricardo on Mar 23, 2024 17:13:05 GMT -7
I thought they did. I have zero interest in trading with Minnesota unless JJ is involved. This an offense heavy draft and if we took that trade best players are defense. Sorry Minnesota there is a report they are gonna come strong well strong is dealing JJ to us anything less forget it. I have done so many drafts and the 11th spot does not sit well with our needs and the true strength of this draft. You want a WR making $30+ million a year on our books when we have so many holes? He will be the highest paid WR in NFL history. He would take up over 10% of our cap. I value top three round, cheap rookie contracts very highly. Build the team with the draft, QB and lines out, and keep the contracts and cap under control. Then when you get close, spend some big money short term. They should have learned last year about having to dumping high/bad contracts.
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Post by knobby on Mar 23, 2024 19:15:23 GMT -7
They don’t have two second rounders do they? No. The Giants have one pick each in rounds 1 - 6, per giants.com. Won't they want to keep as many as they can in the early rounds? Not enough ammo to make it attractive to us, assuming we also want early round picks to give up our #4 position. More late rounders won't cut it - but that's ... IMHO
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Post by BigRedFan on Mar 23, 2024 19:21:56 GMT -7
The Cards are trading back imo. Just how far? it should be the Giants because they'll get MHJ at 6. How many generational (top 10 draft pick) wide receivers take their originally drafted team to the Super Bowl and win it all? Answer: *Tory Holt* #6 pick 1999 draft. Fitz was close.. Jamar Chase was close. They're too few and far between, imo. Build from the inside out. *-* Kurt Warner replaced an injured Trent Green in that 1999 season. Holt's career blossomed because of Warner. The 2 LSU WRs are as Good as MHJ. Nuff said. Yeah and the Cardinals' roster still has a ton of holes on it especially on the D side of the football. If Ossenfort and Sears are as capable of scouting collegiate players as I believe they are, stock piling young, cheap draftee talent is the best way to make the organization relevant in a shorter period of time. Still, I won't criticize the Cardinals' FO if they stick and pick with Harrison at #4.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 24, 2024 5:33:45 GMT -7
The Cards are trading back imo. Just how far? it should be the Giants because they'll get MHJ at 6. How many generational (top 10 draft pick) wide receivers take their originally drafted team to the Super Bowl and win it all? Answer: *Tory Holt* #6 pick 1999 draft. Fitz was close.. Jamar Chase was close. They're too few and far between, imo. Build from the inside out. *-* Kurt Warner replaced an injured Trent Green in that 1999 season. Holt's career blossomed because of Warner. The 2 LSU WRs are as Good as MHJ. Nuff said. Some say only because QB Daniels was on the other end of the WR's catches. Somebody good had to pass the ball to LSU's WRs.
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