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Post by supercard on Mar 17, 2024 12:28:43 GMT -7
With IMO a successful week 1 of FA gone. Cards filled some holes with starters on DL, backup Qb, good cb2, starting OT,solid linebacker. Now what do they do in week 2 if anything? Some older cb types for a 1 year deal? There has been some unexpected deals this year. It’s like teams are panicking for some pre-draft positioning. Monti could take advantage of this panic with some pre-draft movement as well. Packing some of those 3rd rounders to move up to high second.
It seems a given now that MHJ will be there at 4. Vikings are desperately wanting a shot for qb (they would take qb 4) at either 3 or us at 4. If Pats stand firm and take qb at 3, we could demand both their 11 and 23. But I think about it. We would have 3 first round picks! Pickup a edge, receiver, C/G.
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Mar 17, 2024 12:44:15 GMT -7
Post by End Zone on Mar 17, 2024 12:44:15 GMT -7
With IMO a successful week 1 of FA gone. Cards filled some holes with starters on DL, backup Qb, good cb2, starting OT,solid linebacker. Now what do they do in week 2 if anything? Some older cb types for a 1 year deal? There has been some unexpected deals this year. It’s like teams are panicking for some pre-draft positioning. Monti could take advantage of this panic with some pre-draft movement as well. Packing some of those 3rd rounders to move up to high second. It seems a given now that MHJ will be there at 4. Vikings are desperately wanting a shot for qb (they would take qb 4) at either 3 or us at 4. If Pats stand firm and take qb at 3, we could demand both their 11 and 23. But I think about it. We would have 3 first round picks! Pickup a edge, receiver, C/G. I would counsel Monti to not get greedy in 2024. If some GM is desperate for a QB at #4, offer a less painful option--ask for their 2024 and 2025 1st picks and a 2nd round maybe in 2026. Monti must then bank the profits.
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Post by devongent on Mar 17, 2024 14:40:43 GMT -7
It seems a given now that MHJ will be there at 4. Vikings are desperately wanting a shot for qb (they would take qb 4) at either 3 or us at 4. If Pats stand firm and take qb at 3, we could demand both their 11 and 23. But I think about it. We would have 3 first round picks! Pickup a edge, receiver, C/G. This scenario is so enticing and potentially would net us top-end prospects at these three 'need' positions - #11 - Jared Verse (Edge) Florida State - Arguably the best prospect at the position in the draft #23 + #71 - Jackson Powers-Johnson (IOL), Oregon - He is the best O-Line interior guy in the draft and we would likely have to Trade Up to get in front of the Steelers (there is a strong possibility Pittsburg will take him #20). Effectively, we are 'giving back' our additional pick from the initial transaction with the Vikings. #27 - Xavier Legette (WR) South Carolina - A real handful receiver who (hopefully) is being underestimated. Thereafter - #35 - We can take a second receiver from a number of excellent prospects who will be on offer (insert the name of your own favored option). #66 and # 90 - Target a Free Safety and a Power RB with these two picks. Both (IMO) are very much desirable positions to fill. Thereafter take whatever position (based on FO assessment of individual players on offer). With the Tackle and additional Quarterback positions filled via Free Agency, we now have a certain freedom to maneuver and thus can use to our advantage in the draft.
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Mar 17, 2024 16:38:54 GMT -7
Post by End Zone on Mar 17, 2024 16:38:54 GMT -7
It seems a given now that MHJ will be there at 4. Vikings are desperately wanting a shot for qb (they would take qb 4) at either 3 or us at 4. If Pats stand firm and take qb at 3, we could demand both their 11 and 23. But I think about it. We would have 3 first round picks! Pickup a edge, receiver, C/G. This scenario is so enticing and potentially would net us top-end prospects at these three 'need' positions - #11 - Jared Verse (Edge) Florida State - Arguably the best prospect at the position in the draft #23 + #71 - Jackson Powers-Johnson (IOL), Oregon - He is the best O-Line interior guy in the draft and we would likely have to Trade Up to get in front of the Steelers (there is a strong possibility Pittsburg will take him #20). Effectively, we are 'giving back' our additional pick from the initial transaction with the Vikings. #27 - Xavier Legette (WR) South Carolina - A real handful receiver who (hopefully) is being underestimated. Thereafter - #35 - We can take a second receiver from a number of excellent prospects who will be on offer (insert the name of your own favored option). #66 and # 90 - Target a Free Safety and a Power RB with these two picks. Both (IMO) are very much desirable positions to fill. Thereafter take whatever position (based on FO assessment of individual players on offer). With the Tackle and additional Quarterback positions filled via Free Agency, we now have a certain freedom to maneuver and thus can use to our advantage in the draft. Devon, I spoke to our mutual friend in Florida today about Legette. That pick would take care of our #1 WR issue. About Verse, it was suggested by another member that he's is a tweener, not sturdy enough for LB crashes and not big enough for a traditional Edge function. Otherwise, good draft!
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Mar 18, 2024 10:43:29 GMT -7
Post by supercard on Mar 18, 2024 10:43:29 GMT -7
It seems a given now that MHJ will be there at 4. Vikings are desperately wanting a shot for qb (they would take qb 4) at either 3 or us at 4. If Pats stand firm and take qb at 3, we could demand both their 11 and 23. But I think about it. We would have 3 first round picks! Pickup a edge, receiver, C/G. This scenario is so enticing and potentially would net us top-end prospects at these three 'need' positions - #11 - Jared Verse (Edge) Florida State - Arguably the best prospect at the position in the draft #23 + #71 - Jackson Powers-Johnson (IOL), Oregon - He is the best O-Line interior guy in the draft and we would likely have to Trade Up to get in front of the Steelers (there is a strong possibility Pittsburg will take him #20). Effectively, we are 'giving back' our additional pick from the initial transaction with the Vikings. #27 - Xavier Legette (WR) South Carolina - A real handful receiver who (hopefully) is being underestimated. Thereafter - #35 - We can take a second receiver from a number of excellent prospects who will be on offer (insert the name of your own favored option). #66 and # 90 - Target a Free Safety and a Power RB with these two picks. Both (IMO) are very much desirable positions to fill. Thereafter take whatever position (based on FO assessment of individual players on offer). With the Tackle and additional Quarterback positions filled via Free Agency, we now have a certain freedom to maneuver and thus can use to our advantage
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Mar 18, 2024 10:46:08 GMT -7
Post by supercard on Mar 18, 2024 10:46:08 GMT -7
Sure Monti has already had conversations with Vikings. Lot of sleepless nights to consider on this one.
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Mar 18, 2024 12:15:57 GMT -7
Post by devongent on Mar 18, 2024 12:15:57 GMT -7
About Verse, it was suggested by another member that he's is a tweener, not sturdy enough for LB crashes and not big enough for a traditional Edge function. Jared Verse, according to Tankathon, is 6'4" and 254 lbs (others have him listed weighing around the 260 lbs mark). As a comparison, I have just done a search and, Will Anderson Jr is listed at 6'4" and 243 lbs on the Texans website, and Nick Bosa is 6'4" and 266 lbs. I think as an Edge player then Verse is not particularly light, but he does lack a little bulk for a traditional DE. - He will be a real terror as an attacking weapon in the NFL, so it all depends what role the Cardinals are seeking to fill. - My thinking here is that DT has been solidified in Free Agency (three new signing no less and a lot of financial resource have been invested into the position). What the FO may now require is an upgrade attacking option from the side, and this would marry to the exact strengths that Jared has ('See QB, go get QB'). Gardeck might be our best current option here, so there is room on the roster. As you know I like Zer'Zhan Newton a lot. He is 6'1.5" and 304 lbs (again according to Tankathon). Although he is pigeon-holed as a DT, Newton can be used flexibly across the D-Line front, hence he does have versatility. In the context of a possible trade with the Vikings (and we acquire #11 and #23) then Verse should be a real consideration #11. Whatever, he is not dropping #23. - On the other hand, Newton could well be available #23, but would he now be the preferred candidate type, following FA? No doubt each forum reader will have a differing view of these matters, but Verse (in my opinion) is the best true Edge prospect in this year's draft.
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Mar 18, 2024 12:50:35 GMT -7
Post by End Zone on Mar 18, 2024 12:50:35 GMT -7
About Verse, it was suggested by another member that he's is a tweener, not sturdy enough for LB crashes and not big enough for a traditional Edge function. Jared Verse, according to Tankathon, is 6'4" and 254 lbs (others have him listed weighing around the 260 lbs mark). As a comparison, I have just done a search and, Will Anderson Jr is listed at 6'4" and 243 lbs on the Texans website, and Nick Bosa is 6'4" and 266 lbs. I think as an Edge player then Verse is not particularly light, but he does lack a little bulk for a traditional DE. - He will be a real terror as an attacking weapon in the NFL, so it all depends what role the Cardinals are seeking to fill. - My thinking here is that DT has been solidified in Free Agency (three new signing no less and a lot of financial resource have been invested into the position). What the FO may now require is an upgrade attacking option from the side, and this would marry to the exact strengths that Jared has ('See QB, go get QB'). Gardeck might be our best current option here, so there is room on the roster. As you know I like Zer'Zhan Newton a lot. He is 6'1.5" and 304 lbs (again according to Tankathon). Although he is pigeon-holed as a DT, Newton can be used flexibly across the D-Line front, hence he does have versatility. In the context of a possible trade with the Vikings (and we acquire #11 and #23) then Verse should be a real consideration #11. Whatever, he is not dropping #23. - On the other hand, Newton could well be available #23, but would he now be the preferred candidate type, following FA? No doubt each forum reader will have a differing view of these matters, but Verse (in my opinion) is the best true Edge prospect in this year's draft. I can live with Jared Verse being the first Cardinals pick at #11. That's a huge risk waiting that long if JV is THE ONE. Monti might have to move back up a spot or two.
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Mar 18, 2024 12:58:47 GMT -7
Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 18, 2024 12:58:47 GMT -7
About Verse, it was suggested by another member that he's is a tweener, not sturdy enough for LB crashes and not big enough for a traditional Edge function. Jared Verse, according to Tankathon, is 6'4" and 254 lbs (others have him listed weighing around the 260 lbs mark). As a comparison, I have just done a search and, Will Anderson Jr is listed at 6'4" and 243 lbs on the Texans website, and Nick Bosa is 6'4" and 266 lbs. I think as an Edge player then Verse is not particularly light, but he does lack a little bulk for a traditional DE. - He will be a real terror as an attacking weapon in the NFL, so it all depends what role the Cardinals are seeking to fill. - My thinking here is that DT has been solidified in Free Agency (three new signing no less and a lot of financial resource have been invested into the position). What the FO may now require is an upgrade attacking option from the side, and this would marry to the exact strengths that Jared has ('See QB, go get QB'). Gardeck might be our best current option here, so there is room on the roster. As you know I like Zer'Zhan Newton a lot. He is 6'1.5" and 304 lbs (again according to Tankathon). Although he is pigeon-holed as a DT, Newton can be used flexibly across the D-Line front, hence he does have versatility. In the context of a possible trade with the Vikings (and we acquire #11 and #23) then Verse should be a real consideration #11. Whatever, he is not dropping #23. - On the other hand, Newton could well be available #23, but would he now be the preferred candidate type, following FA? No doubt each forum reader will have a differing view of these matters, but Verse (in my opinion) is the best true Edge prospect in this year's draft. JV sources believe at #11, Byron Murphy JR DT would be selected as they see him to be superior to Newton. I am conflicted whether any of the top 4 "Edge" guys (Latu/Turner/Verse/Chop Robinson) - Robinson & Turner are only listed at 6'2", Latu is the best Edge Technician but his medical history will cause him to slide and then Verse -- see WF writeup on him a few days ago: WF writeup on Verse on 3/16/24: In 2023, Verse totaled 41 tackles, nine sacks and two passes batted. He collected 6.5 of his sacks against some weak offensive lines in Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, and Florida. Verse has some stiffness as a pass rusher, and that has some teams sources projecting him as a late first- or early second-round pick for the 2024 NFL Draft
P.S. I thought I've read or heard in the last week that PJJ has told Cardinal coaches Chop Robinson was very hard to block off the edge. A very productive player who might be a high 3rd rounder if Monti decides to go other positions in Rds. #1-2 could be Jonah Elliss*, DE/OLB, Utah
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Mar 19, 2024 10:37:54 GMT -7
Post by devongent on Mar 19, 2024 10:37:54 GMT -7
I can live with Jared Verse being the first Cardinals pick at #11. That's a huge risk waiting that long if JV is THE ONE. Monti might have to move back up a spot or two. With the various activity in Free Agency (and especially at Tackle) there is no need to reach as such, hence if Verse (or A N Other player) is gone before the #11 pick then we likely move on and choose someone else. Due to the mathematics, say four QB's, three Tackles in the Top 10, if Verse is taken earlier, then there will be a further enticing prospect to be had. And on que; the latest Daniel Jeremiah's mock (issued today) has the Cardinals forgoing the option of Marvin Harrison Jr #4 and instead Trading Down with Minnesota and acquiring the #11 and #23 picks. - The Vikings draft J J McCarthy, whilst at #11 he is predicting that the Cardinals choose Jared Verse. People keen on Brian Thomas Jr (see other thread) will be relieved to see us picking him #23. I would prefer getting in Jackson Powers-Johnson and (as mentioned before) I think we would need to give up some draft capital to move up and get him. - Each to their own, we may all hold differing opinions.
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Mar 19, 2024 14:35:32 GMT -7
Post by supercard on Mar 19, 2024 14:35:32 GMT -7
I can live with is. Jackson Powers is an All Pro in waiting. Only because this draft is so deep he would be possible.
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Mar 19, 2024 18:14:14 GMT -7
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 19, 2024 18:14:14 GMT -7
The dead horse is still twitching. The little dude is the most important player on the team. Wide receiver and offensive lineman should be the first two picks. It's a little dude has the crap beat out of him or is forced to throw the ball 40 times a game we're not going anywhere. Until the quarterback is taken care of it honestly does not matter how bad the defense is.
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Mar 22, 2024 3:54:24 GMT -7
Post by End Zone on Mar 22, 2024 3:54:24 GMT -7
The dead horse is still twitching. The little dude is the most important player on the team. Wide receiver and offensive lineman should be the first two picks. It's a little dude has the crap beat out of him or is forced to throw the ball 40 times a game we're not going anywhere. Until the quarterback is taken care of it honestly does not matter how bad the defense is. Murray has to do more to take care of himself in 2024. He began that journey in the last 8 games of 2023. Gannon and Petzing must put Murray in a position to not have to run for his life so often. That begins by stocking up on OLineman that get the job done on every play, regardless of if Murray is in the shotgun or under Center. If we go through this OL/DL rebuild exercise in 2024 and 2025 and the little dude is still lying on his backside far too often, then its is time to move on from the twitching dead horse.
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Mar 22, 2024 9:48:37 GMT -7
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 22, 2024 9:48:37 GMT -7
The dead horse is still twitching. The little dude is the most important player on the team. Wide receiver and offensive lineman should be the first two picks. It's a little dude has the crap beat out of him or is forced to throw the ball 40 times a game we're not going anywhere. Until the quarterback is taken care of it honestly does not matter how bad the defense is. Murray has to do more to take care of himself in 2024. He began that journey in the last 8 games of 2023. Gannon and Petzing must put Murray in a position to not have to run for his life so often. That begins by stocking up on OLineman that get the job done on every play, regardless of if Murray is in the shotgun or under Center. If we go through this OL/DL rebuild exercise in 2024 and 2025 and the little dude is still lying on his backside far too often, then its is time to move on from the twitching dead horse. then I will start a campaign for the Cardinals to draft Mizzou quarterback Brady cook
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