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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 14, 2024 19:18:48 GMT -7
Good move. I kind of expected we’d be trading Moore or possibly cutting if we couldn’t find a partner. Ridder was an early third rounder just 2 years ago and has a season of starting on his resume at only 24 yrs old. Good size. We just want him to compete with Tune for the QB2 spot, and I think he wins that job. I think Dortch will be our only little WR.
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Post by somecardsfan on Mar 14, 2024 19:29:15 GMT -7
People complained about tune, now people complaining about riddler. Oh well. I think he could be an upgrade to the backup position. Don't mind losing moore. Injury issues and dortch can now get more snaps. All they really used moore for was for side screens and it didn't work very well
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 14, 2024 19:45:45 GMT -7
People complained about tune, now people complaining about riddler. Oh well. I think he could be an upgrade to the backup position. Don't mind losing moore. Injury issues and dortch can now get more snaps. All they really used moore for was for side screens and it didn't work very well Ridder’s NFL draft profile rates him as an eventual plus starter in the league and projected he’d go in the 1st or 2nd round. He went in the early 3rd. He was one of the fasted QB’s in his draft and can run very well, though he tries to throw from the pocket. He has a better resume than Tune, has starting NFL experience beyond Tune’s awful start, and is a player much more similar to Kyler, so as a QB2 can run the same offense should he have to come in for Kyler. This was a good QB2 move IMO.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 15, 2024 4:44:11 GMT -7
While I don't hate the trade, please think about the following. Most board members say Murray's lack of success is due to lack of support. Well, Riddler had tons of offensive support in Atl and didn't even go 0.500. If he couldn't win with Pitts and all the other talent he had, why would he win here? Or does lack of success have more to do with the actual QB and not the supporting cast? Just something to think about given all the excuses I hear made for Kyler. Once again, I don't hate this move. But I'm not sure we didn't lose out because Rondale Moore has talent. He's just little so Kyler doesn't make smaller WRs look as good as taller QBs do. And there's a distinct possibility Moore could excel elsewhere. Heck, I've seen Rondale actually lead the league in Madden 'simulations'. So the computers definitely see talent there. To me, I think this move is an acknowledgment that we wanted someone like Nix but don't think we can get him in the 3rd round. And Monti clearly doesn't want to spend high capital on a QB I'm okay with the Ridder signing. He's at least a half a foot taller than the little man, survived his rookie year and is intact, and now brings a ton of game-day experience to ARZ. B/U Tune might not survive the 53 man cut next Sep. PS for him? About Pitts, he never lived up to the media hype. I listened to NFL.com guys suggest that he was overrated as a A+ TE. Or did Pitts need a better QB like Cousins to make him a better TE? I was pleased to see WRs Moore and Brown sent away or walk away from ARZ this week. I won't miss them one bit in 2024. Just about all the Keim trash has been take out to the curbside now.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 15, 2024 4:47:41 GMT -7
While I don't hate the trade, please think about the following. Most board members say Murray's lack of success is due to lack of support. Well, Riddler had tons of offensive support in Atl and didn't even go 0.500. If he couldn't win with Pitts and all the other talent he had, why would he win here? Or does lack of success have more to do with the actual QB and not the supporting cast? Just something to think about given all the excuses I hear made for Kyler. Once again, I don't hate this move. But I'm not sure we didn't lose out because Rondale Moore has talent. He's just little so Kyler doesn't make smaller WRs look as good as taller QBs do. And there's a distinct possibility Moore could excel elsewhere. Heck, I've seen Rondale actually lead the league in Madden 'simulations'. So the computers definitely see talent there. To me, I think this move is an acknowledgment that we wanted someone like Nix but don't think we can get him in the 3rd round. And Monti clearly doesn't want to spend high capital on a QB I'm okay with the Ridder signing. He's at least a half a foot taller than the little man, survived his rookie year and is intact, and now brings a ton of game-day experience to ARZ. B/U Tune might not survive the 53 man cut next Sep. PS for him? About Pitts, he never lived up to the media hype. I listened to NFL.com guys suggest that he was overrated as a A+ TE. Or did Pitts need a better QB like Cousins to make him a better TE? I was pleased to see WRs Moore and Brown sent away or walk away from ARZ this week. I won't miss them one bit in 2024. Just about all the Keim trash has been take out to the curbside now. Will we be getting a comp pick or not for Hollywood. I dont think so.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 15, 2024 4:49:48 GMT -7
I'm okay with the Ridder signing. He's at least a half a foot taller than the little man, survived his rookie year and is intact, and now brings a ton of game-day experience to ARZ. B/U Tune might not survive the 53 man cut next Sep. PS for him? About Pitts, he never lived up to the media hype. I listened to NFL.com guys suggest that he was overrated as a A+ TE. Or did Pitts need a better QB like Cousins to make him a better TE? I was pleased to see WRs Moore and Brown sent away or walk away from ARZ this week. I won't miss them one bit in 2024. Just about all the Keim trash has been take out to the curbside now. Will we be getting a comp pick or not for Hollywood. I dont think so. I don't think Brown qualifies. If he was a restricted FA, then yes.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 15, 2024 8:48:51 GMT -7
While I don't hate the trade, please think about the following. Most board members say Murray's lack of success is due to lack of support. Well, Riddler had tons of offensive support in Atl and didn't even go 0.500. If he couldn't win with Pitts and all the other talent he had, why would he win here? Or does lack of success have more to do with the actual QB and not the supporting cast? Just something to think about given all the excuses I hear made for Kyler. Once again, I don't hate this move. But I'm not sure we didn't lose out because Rondale Moore has talent. He's just little so Kyler doesn't make smaller WRs look as good as taller QBs do. And there's a distinct possibility Moore could excel elsewhere. Heck, I've seen Rondale actually lead the league in Madden 'simulations'. So the computers definitely see talent there. To me, I think this move is an acknowledgment that we wanted someone like Nix but don't think we can get him in the 3rd round. And Monti clearly doesn't want to spend high capital on a QB I'm okay with the Ridder signing. He's at least a half a foot taller than the little man, survived his rookie year and is intact, and now brings a ton of game-day experience to ARZ. B/U Tune might not survive the 53 man cut next Sep. PS for him? About Pitts, he never lived up to the media hype. I listened to NFL.com guys suggest that he was overrated as a A+ TE. Or did Pitts need a better QB like Cousins to make him a better TE? I was pleased to see WRs Moore and Brown sent away or walk away from ARZ this week. I won't miss them one bit in 2024. Just about all the Keim trash has been take out to the curbside now. I think we add a Wr along with MHJ now for sure.Probably later in the draft unless they find someone for a reasonable price, definitely think they are going for size no more smurfs.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Mar 16, 2024 8:23:02 GMT -7
Guess we have our back up QB. I like it. Moore has not been used efficiently by two different staffs. Dortch is the man and needs these touches. Ridder is a better back up than Tune at this point and you can go .500 with him in a pinch and maybe even better. Worth a shot… Moore was another bad draft selection by Steve Keim. He was a reach as a second round selection. He was drafted by Keim purely for his speed. This wasn't the first time that Keim reached on a receiver who was otherwise unimpressive aside from his speed.
Moore wasn't that good. There is "more" to being a receiver other than straight line speed. Moore didn't run great routes and had trouble getting separation. He didn't have great hands. He was undersized.
This is Monti just cleaning house and getting rid of Keim's players. To be able to acquire a QB like Ridder for someone like Moore was a great move.
Guys like Moore are a luxury. You don't draft them in the second round. You pick up guys like this in the 4th, 5th or 6th round when your team is otherwise complete and can add a luxury piece. For a developing team, we need core players first. Our starting receivers need to be guys with some size, who run great routes, have great hands and came from good programs. When you have those guys in place, you can draft a guy like Rondale Moore in later rounds and put him in the slot.
This is a value addition. Ridder is a far better backup than Tune. Tune is garbage. We know that. Monti couldn't enter this season with Tune starting should anything happen to Kyler. We need a decent backup with some experience. This is what good GM's do. They look for value and that's what we received. Monti isn't looking at Ridder like a starter.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Mar 16, 2024 9:00:30 GMT -7
While I don't hate the trade, please think about the following. Most board members say Murray's lack of success is due to lack of support. Well, Riddler had tons of offensive support in Atl and didn't even go 0.500. If he couldn't win with Pitts and all the other talent he had, why would he win here? Or does lack of success have more to do with the actual QB and not the supporting cast? Just something to think about given all the excuses I hear made for Kyler. Once again, I don't hate this move. But I'm not sure we didn't lose out because Rondale Moore has talent. He's just little so Kyler doesn't make smaller WRs look as good as taller QBs do. And there's a distinct possibility Moore could excel elsewhere. Heck, I've seen Rondale actually lead the league in Madden 'simulations'. So the computers definitely see talent there. To me, I think this move is an acknowledgment that we wanted someone like Nix but don't think we can get him in the 3rd round. And Monti clearly doesn't want to spend high capital on a QB We didn't lose out. There are players like Rondale Moore in every draft and you can get those guys in later rounds. Steve Keim just reached on Moore because he was enamored with 40 times must like Al Davis used to be with the Raiders (anyone remember Alexander Wright?).
Kyler needs a consistent running game and more importantly an inside running game. The Cardinals need better interior offensive lineman (center and guards) in order to run inside and wear out defensive lineman and control clock. They need taller receivers with good hands who can make plays over the middle and can win 50/50 balls. They need physical larger runnbacks (plural) who can block and get short yards. You can't rely on just one RB like James Connor. You need multiple large RB's that can be rotated to fill this role.
Lacking a supporting cast isn't referring to having a short fast receiver who can only play in the slot. That's not what is hurting Kyler Murray.
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Post by devongent on Mar 16, 2024 10:09:11 GMT -7
Kyler needs a consistent running game and more importantly an inside running game. The Cardinals need better interior offensive lineman (center and guards) in order to run inside and wear out defensive lineman and control clock. They need taller receivers with good hands who can make plays over the middle and can win 50/50 balls. They need physical larger runnbacks (plural) who can block and get short yards. You can't rely on just one RB like James Connor. You need multiple large RB's that can be rotated to fill this role.I agree with all of that, which summaries the situation very nicely. Another 'power back' in the draft is a must for me. James Conner's body won't hold-up (should he be asked to do all the donkey work alone next season) and as you say rotation is key to keep players fresh and hitting their runs hard each time.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Mar 16, 2024 15:29:42 GMT -7
Kyler needs a consistent running game and more importantly an inside running game. The Cardinals need better interior offensive lineman (center and guards) in order to run inside and wear out defensive lineman and control clock. They need taller receivers with good hands who can make plays over the middle and can win 50/50 balls. They need physical larger runnbacks (plural) who can block and get short yards. You can't rely on just one RB like James Connor. You need multiple large RB's that can be rotated to fill this role.I agree with all of that, which summaries the situation very nicely. Another 'power back' in the draft is a must for me. James Conner's body won't hold-up (should he be asked to do all the donkey work alone next season) and as you say rotation is key to keep players fresh and hitting their runs hard each time. Depth has always been an issue with this team because the previous management didn't believe in it. Injuries are a part of the game and you have to assume your starters will get hurt at some point. I am also a believer in rotating defensive lineman. The best defenses do that to keep people fresh. The reason the 49ers are so good is they have invested in their OL and DL. They can go 2 and 3 deep at times.
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Post by somecardsfan on Mar 17, 2024 9:48:24 GMT -7
For a conditional draft pick, would you have given a flyer and traded for Justin Fields as kylers backup?
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Post by End Zone on Mar 17, 2024 13:24:04 GMT -7
For a conditional draft pick, would you have given a flyer and traded for Justin Fields as kylers backup? No. Fields has always had accuracy problems. I think that CHI was lucky to get PIT to trade for Fields. The market for Fields was cold and the cost to PIT was next to nothing....a 6th round pick that might become a 4th round if Fields plays 51% snaps in 2024. Wilson will ensure Fields sits a lot in 2024. Hypothetically, is b/u Fields better than b/u Ridder as the Cardinals #2? I checked the 3-yr and 2-yr pro resumes for Fields and Ridder. Their pro resumes are similarly thin. Athletically, they are near-twins. Intellectually, Fields scored high on a psych eval among other athletes. So, he's social. I found no such eval on Ridder.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Mar 17, 2024 13:44:00 GMT -7
I'm okay with the Ridder signing. He's at least a half a foot taller than the little man, survived his rookie year and is intact, and now brings a ton of game-day experience to ARZ. B/U Tune might not survive the 53 man cut next Sep. PS for him? About Pitts, he never lived up to the media hype. I listened to NFL.com guys suggest that he was overrated as a A+ TE. Or did Pitts need a better QB like Cousins to make him a better TE? I was pleased to see WRs Moore and Brown sent away or walk away from ARZ this week. I won't miss them one bit in 2024. Just about all the Keim trash has been take out to the curbside now. Will we be getting a comp pick or not for Hollywood. I dont think so. Hope is no...only because that will mean Monti had some of his FA signings get significant snaps in 2024. like Hjalte cancelling out Allen in 2023.
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