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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 10, 2024 16:47:58 GMT -7
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Post by Vesely22 on Mar 10, 2024 19:25:09 GMT -7
Yeah, pretty sure that request might take us out of the market for his services. Not that we were going to bid for him anyways.
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Post by supercard on Mar 11, 2024 10:53:28 GMT -7
Yep, 110 M with 80 plus guaranteed.
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Post by somecardsfan on Mar 11, 2024 11:27:18 GMT -7
He signed with the Raiders
Agent: Raiders to sign DT Christian Wilkins to 4-year, $110M deal
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Post by CardSunsCard on Mar 11, 2024 12:00:28 GMT -7
CW's contract and Chris Jones' deal is exactly why I kept pressing us to focus on drafting quality IDL instead of OL/WRs. Other than QBs/CBs, no one gets paid as much or is as hard to find as a top tier interior DL. Case in point is Chris Jones getting 30+ mil per year. It's far cheaper to draft DL and PAY for free agent OL. A quality interior OL only costs 14 t0 15 mil... tops
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 11, 2024 16:36:04 GMT -7
CW's contract and Chris Jones' deal is exactly why I kept pressing us to focus on drafting quality IDL instead of OL/WRs. Other than QBs/CBs, no one gets paid as much or is as hard to find as a top tier interior DL. Case in point is Chris Jones getting 30+ mil per year. It's far cheaper to draft DL and PAY for free agent OL. A quality interior OL only costs 14 t0 15 mil... tops "A quality interior OL only costs 14 t0 15 mil... tops" About 5 years ago , you could get a good one for 8 million
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 11, 2024 16:45:36 GMT -7
CW's contract and Chris Jones' deal is exactly why I kept pressing us to focus on drafting quality IDL instead of OL/WRs. Other than QBs/CBs, no one gets paid as much or is as hard to find as a top tier interior DL. Case in point is Chris Jones getting 30+ mil per year. It's far cheaper to draft DL and PAY for free agent OL. A quality interior OL only costs 14 t0 15 mil... tops "A quality interior OL only costs 14 t0 15 mil... tops" About 5 years ago , you could get a good one for 8 million And I could buy a gallon of gas for $1.85 and a burger meal for $6. I was out looking at new builds in Gilbert, Queen Creek and even San Tan for my soon to be 80 yr old mother and my sister and her 8 yr old over the weekend, as they are thinking of joining us in the Valley from the Midwest. When I moved here you could buy a lot more house than you could for the same money in the Chicago suburbs. Now it’s quite the opposite. I couldn’t believe how many of the nicer subdivisions…but still not custom builds, started at around $800k- $1 million! My three kids are doing well in life, aged 17-24, but I don’t know how they will buy homes and raise families with the standard of living they grew up with.
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Post by vwvectors on Mar 12, 2024 8:08:23 GMT -7
CW's contract and Chris Jones' deal is exactly why I kept pressing us to focus on drafting quality IDL instead of OL/WRs. Other than QBs/CBs, no one gets paid as much or is as hard to find as a top tier interior DL. Case in point is Chris Jones getting 30+ mil per year. It's far cheaper to draft DL and PAY for free agent OL. A quality interior OL only costs 14 t0 15 mil... tops Good LT are in the 18-20 mil & the elite LT command more. RT get a little less but not by much. How many elite or excellent (especially) LT or RT hit free agency. I contend none to 1 each season. How many dominant DT/DE hit FA each season I would contend several. I concur with your assessment it’s better to draft than pay in FA but excellent to elite OL is definitely more rare to see in FA.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Mar 12, 2024 9:01:14 GMT -7
CW's contract and Chris Jones' deal is exactly why I kept pressing us to focus on drafting quality IDL instead of OL/WRs. Other than QBs/CBs, no one gets paid as much or is as hard to find as a top tier interior DL. Case in point is Chris Jones getting 30+ mil per year. It's far cheaper to draft DL and PAY for free agent OL. A quality interior OL only costs 14 t0 15 mil... tops Good LT are in the 18-20 mil & the elite LT command more. RT get a little less but not by much. How many elite or excellent (especially) LT or RT hit free agency. I contend none to 1 each season. How many dominant DT/DE hit FA each season I would contend several. I concur with your assessment it’s better to draft than pay in FA but excellent to elite OL is definitely more rare to see in FA. LT's would be compared to top 'edge' talent prices. I compared IDL to IOL to try to keep it closer to apples to apples. RT's don't break the bank. A top LT is the only price that competes with top DL money, and even then, top DL's get more. I'm not aware of anyone other than QB/CB that price out similar to top DLs. Top DL's get close to QB money There's something else to consider. Rookie OL generally need at least one year to get stronger. Exceptions of course like Wirfs, but that's yet another reason I'd rather buy my OL and draft my pass rushers. I think you find the same amount of elite OL vs. DL in free agency. Maybe more because of the replacement cost. It wasn't long ago that anyone could buy the LT the Niners and Washington depended on for years. Just like Tyron Smith hit the market. They hit the market more often than guys like Aaron Donald or Chris Jones do. I also think there are more 'good' or elite OL than their are truly elite DL. Especially interior DL. I think it's easier to find a quality QB than it is elite interior DL. I think most folks can easily name 6 elite QBs. Who can name 6 ELITE interior DL? I can think of 6 edge guys that might be elite, but only maybe 4 or 5 elite interior guys.
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Post by vwvectors on Mar 13, 2024 16:01:56 GMT -7
Good LT are in the 18-20 mil & the elite LT command more. RT get a little less but not by much. How many elite or excellent (especially) LT or RT hit free agency. I contend none to 1 each season. How many dominant DT/DE hit FA each season I would contend several. I concur with your assessment it’s better to draft than pay in FA but excellent to elite OL is definitely more rare to see in FA. LT's would be compared to top 'edge' talent prices. I compared IDL to IOL to try to keep it closer to apples to apples. RT's don't break the bank. A top LT is the only price that competes with top DL money, and even then, top DL's get more. I'm not aware of anyone other than QB/CB that price out similar to top DLs. Top DL's get close to QB money There's something else to consider. Rookie OL generally need at least one year to get stronger. Exceptions of course like Wirfs, but that's yet another reason I'd rather buy my OL and draft my pass rushers. I think you find the same amount of elite OL vs. DL in free agency. Maybe more because of the replacement cost. It wasn't long ago that anyone could buy the LT the Niners and Washington depended on for years. Just like Tyron Smith hit the market. They hit the market more often than guys like Aaron Donald or Chris Jones do. I also think there are more 'good' or elite OL than their are truly elite DL. Especially interior DL. I think it's easier to find a quality QB than it is elite interior DL. I think most folks can easily name 6 elite QBs. Who can name 6 ELITE interior DL? I can think of 6 edge guys that might be elite, but only maybe 4 or 5 elite interior guys. A lot to unpack here let me start out saying I concur elite DL are hard to find minus an Aaron Donald they can be had (good prospects) in the 2nd or later rnds & they can become all-pro. OL that are all-pro (like Wirfs who should have taken) are 1st rnd picks. Only reason Tyron Smith hit market team docs mistreated his cancer & that’s why he left. The Bucs just gave Wirfs new contract Brandon Shereff (sp) got extended. Who’s going to block Chris Jones consistently successfully a former 1st rnd pick. In close I think we’re both right.
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