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Post by knobby on Sept 27, 2023 13:43:37 GMT -7
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Post by End Zone on Sept 28, 2023 11:44:12 GMT -7
CK is not playing NFL football again. Father time caught him. Other issues buried him long ago.
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Post by knobby on Sept 28, 2023 20:10:03 GMT -7
CK is not playing NFL football again. Father time caught him. Other issues buried him long ago.
Maybe, in the NFL. But the latest is:
The Jets picked someone else, but the BC Lions (CFL) have issued an invitation to him.
Will he swallow hard and give it a go, or finally concede to the inevitable? (rhetorical question)
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Post by Reignman on Oct 28, 2023 17:45:01 GMT -7
There's no way CK is going to play now, even if he gets an offer lol. He would ruin everything he has going for him in the "social justice" arena. He'd lose his victim card. But yeah, if you look it up, "mobile" QB's fall off a cliff faster than RB's. With RB's they say it's at about the age of 32, well every high profile mobile QB was pretty much washed by the time they were 29-30. CK will be 36 next week.
Randall Cunningham had a brief resurgence has a pocket passer in '98 with the Vikings, but he was driving one of the best offenses in NFL history, so who knows how much that had to do with it. He quickly fell back to earth in 1999.
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Post by melgray85 on Oct 31, 2023 15:31:01 GMT -7
CK is not playing NFL football again. Father time caught him. Other issues buried him long ago. Reportedly he's been keeping himself in playing shape at 35yrs old in case some team decided to give him a shot. Some players who have worked out with him say he's still sharp (i.e. Tyler Lockett). Brady kept himself in shape well into his 40's. At this point if I were the Jets I'd take a chance on him as a stop gap QB before I would McCoy.
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Post by End Zone on Nov 1, 2023 1:57:22 GMT -7
CK is not playing NFL football again. Father time caught him. Other issues buried him long ago. Reportedly he's been keeping himself in playing shape at 35yrs old in case some team decided to give him a shot. Some players who have worked out with him say he's still sharp (i.e. Tyler Lockett). Brady kept himself in shape well into his 40's. At this point if I were the Jets I'd take a chance on him as a stop gap QB before I would McCoy. Kaepernick is an example of a person trying to turn the clock back and also reinvent himself. Time does not go backwards. He can become a new person, but he cannot change the recorded past behaviors. Your post got me to thinking about the Vikings trading for Dobbs on Tuesday, October 31. Dobbs record in 2023 is awful, just 1-7. His TD to INT ratio tells a different story. Dobbs is a competitor and can get the job done (aka a manager) if he has a decent supporting group around him. He is smart as heck and a solid athlete. So, if Kaepernick is sharp, and is endorsed by other pro athletes, why didn't desperate MIN give the Free Agent quarterback a call for a physical and workout rather than immediately contacting Arizona and wasting the 6th and 7th round 2024 picks on a trade to sign Dobbs? Dobbs is not going to start this next weekend. Kaepernick would also need time to learn the playbook if MIN signed him. My view is that Kaepernick's past behavior is his boulder to carry through life. He can apologize to the NFL's fans and we can forgive him, or he can do something publicly like Budweiser is doing to rebuild the Bud Light brand. McCoy's age and shoulder/arm problem prevents him from returning to he game. Kaepernick's age and social justice warrior history prevents him from returning to the game. If Kaepernick wants the NFL back in his life, he's got to make a choice: SJW lifestyle, or NFL paycheck. It seems that he can't have both. Or MIN would have called him before calling Ossenfort yesterday.
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Post by melgray85 on Nov 1, 2023 6:43:23 GMT -7
Reportedly he's been keeping himself in playing shape at 35yrs old in case some team decided to give him a shot. Some players who have worked out with him say he's still sharp (i.e. Tyler Lockett). Brady kept himself in shape well into his 40's. At this point if I were the Jets I'd take a chance on him as a stop gap QB before I would McCoy. Kaepernick is an example of a person trying to turn the clock back and also reinvent himself. Time does not go backwards. He can become a new person, but he cannot change the recorded past behaviors.Your post got me to thinking about the Vikings trading for Dobbs on Tuesday, October 31. Dobbs record in 2023 is awful, just 1-7. His TD to INT ratio tells a different story. Dobbs is a competitor and can get the job done (aka a manager) if he has a decent supporting group around him. He is smart as heck and a solid athlete. So, if Kaepernick is sharp, and is endorsed by other pro athletes, why didn't desperate MIN give the Free Agent quarterback a call for a physical and workout rather than immediately contacting Arizona and wasting the 6th and 7th round 2024 picks on a trade to sign Dobbs? Dobbs is not going to start this next weekend. Kaepernick would also need time to learn the playbook if MIN signed him. My view is that Kaepernick's past behavior is his boulder to carry through life. He can apologize to the NFL's fans and we can forgive him, or he can do something publicly like Budweiser is doing to rebuild the Bud Light brand. McCoy's age and shoulder/arm problem prevents him from returning to he game. Kaepernick's age and social justice warrior history prevents him from returning to the game. If Kaepernick wants the NFL back in his life, he's got to make a choice: SJW lifestyle, or NFL paycheck. It seems that he can't have both. Or MIN would have called him before calling Ossenfort yesterday. I think everything I highlighted answers the question you raised regarding the Vikings however doesn't answer the question as to whether or not he can still play. Rather, it draws conclusions based on reasons other than football and in the process attempts to hold him to a higher standard seemingly under some sense of patriotism. Unless he committed a crime, I think a fairer assessment would be an invitation to prove himself one way or another given his past performance as a player.
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Post by End Zone on Nov 1, 2023 9:45:52 GMT -7
Kaepernick is an example of a person trying to turn the clock back and also reinvent himself. Time does not go backwards. He can become a new person, but he cannot change the recorded past behaviors.Your post got me to thinking about the Vikings trading for Dobbs on Tuesday, October 31. Dobbs record in 2023 is awful, just 1-7. His TD to INT ratio tells a different story. Dobbs is a competitor and can get the job done (aka a manager) if he has a decent supporting group around him. He is smart as heck and a solid athlete. So, if Kaepernick is sharp, and is endorsed by other pro athletes, why didn't desperate MIN give the Free Agent quarterback a call for a physical and workout rather than immediately contacting Arizona and wasting the 6th and 7th round 2024 picks on a trade to sign Dobbs? Dobbs is not going to start this next weekend. Kaepernick would also need time to learn the playbook if MIN signed him. My view is that Kaepernick's past behavior is his boulder to carry through life. He can apologize to the NFL's fans and we can forgive him, or he can do something publicly like Budweiser is doing to rebuild the Bud Light brand. McCoy's age and shoulder/arm problem prevents him from returning to he game. Kaepernick's age and social justice warrior history prevents him from returning to the game. If Kaepernick wants the NFL back in his life, he's got to make a choice: SJW lifestyle, or NFL paycheck. It seems that he can't have both. Or MIN would have called him before calling Ossenfort yesterday. I think everything I highlighted answers the question you raised regarding the Vikings however doesn't answer the question as to whether or not he can still play. Rather, it draws conclusions based on reasons other than football and in the process attempts to hold him to a higher standard seemingly under some sense of patriotism. Unless he committed a crime, I think a fairer assessment would be an invitation to prove himself one way or another given his past performance as a player. Someone is dancing around a 1st Amendment argument. Amendment I, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. There is no higher/lower/double standard in play here. CK used the NFL to promote CK's politics. That's a no-no. Another no-no is a player using a prop to make a statement on the field. It's the same thing. Ask around. Some other guys who were also involved in the SJW politics backtracked and were on the field in no time. Not CK. He's stubborn or righteous or narcissistic or dumb or all 4. He's what he is based on what he wants to be. He can change everyone's perceptions or no one's perceptions. The onus is on him. The NFL isn't going to change perceptions that for him. And that's fair. Is CK owed a try-out? If he throws a ball 10-yards at a try-out, then what? Is he owed a contract by the team? I say nothing is owed athlete's and their agents except what's in the contract and CBA.
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Post by melgray85 on Nov 1, 2023 16:17:38 GMT -7
I think everything I highlighted answers the question you raised regarding the Vikings however doesn't answer the question as to whether or not he can still play. Rather, it draws conclusions based on reasons other than football and in the process attempts to hold him to a higher standard seemingly under some sense of patriotism. Unless he committed a crime, I think a fairer assessment would be an invitation to prove himself one way or another given his past performance as a player. Someone is dancing around a 1st Amendment argument. Amendment I, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. There is no higher/lower/double standard in play here. CK used the NFL to promote CK's politics. That's a no-no. Another no-no is a player using a prop to make a statement on the field. It's the same thing. Ask around. Some other guys who were also involved in the SJW politics backtracked and were on the field in no time. Not CK. He's stubborn or righteous or narcissistic or dumb or all 4. He's what he is based on what he wants to be. He can change everyone's perceptions or no one's perceptions. The onus is on him. The NFL isn't going to change perceptions that for him. And that's fair. Is CK owed a try-out? If he throws a ball 10-yards at a try-out, then what? Is he owed a contract by the team? I say nothing is owed athlete's and their agents except what's in the contract and CBA. CK's protest didn't qualify as free speech? Meanwhile putting all the politics aside that do indeed reflect a double standard given past and current events since he left football, the question regarding CK is simply 1) can he still play and 2) is he worth a look after all this time given the attrition rate of NFL QB's. The only way to find that out would be a tryout, not political opinions, and the closest assessment in absence of a tryout is the observations of current players and other observers who have checked him out.
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Post by End Zone on Nov 1, 2023 16:38:16 GMT -7
Congress, the NFL, and SF did not abridge QB Colin Kaepernick's freedom of SJW speech. SF let CK go because of game performance issues. That no team has offered CK a tryout in the meantime has nothing to do with his SJW 1st Amendment rights. He can protest all day and night, demand a veteran's QB job and pay, and complain about no GM calls til the cows come home. No one cares about his complaining.
Can he still play NFL football? Unknown. But SF did let him go because of his performance.
Is he worth a look? Apparently not, per 32 teams, some who are QB-needy today.
If CK's close friends all say he can play football, why don't they all claim NFL collusion and sue?
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Post by melgray85 on Nov 4, 2023 20:44:01 GMT -7
Congress, the NFL, and SF did not abridge QB Colin Kaepernick's freedom of SJW speech. SF let CK go because of game performance issues. That no team has offered CK a tryout in the meantime has nothing to do with his SJW 1st Amendment rights. He can protest all day and night, demand a veteran's QB job and pay, and complain about no GM calls til the cows come home. No one cares about his complaining. Can he still play NFL football? Unknown. But SF did let him go because of his performance. Is he worth a look? Apparently not, per 32 teams, some who are QB-needy today. If CK's close friends all say he can play football, why don't they all claim NFL collusion and sue? The only logical and benefit of the doubt argument I can see is that there may have been concern of possibly too much division in the locker room, but that would still revert back to his protest stance rather than his playing ability. But for the record, CK was given a tryout here in Vegas with the Raiders. Reportedly it "went well" and that the door was open to a signing. That was it, nothing beyond that. Meanwhile though unless one is prepared to argue that QB stats ultimately don't really mean much, the argument that he lost his job in SF as the reason really becomes a red herring argument. He won the starting job back and finished out his final season with the 49ers. And if you look at all of the QB's hired ahead of him at the time subsequent to that, none of them possessed the QB rating he had nor had ever led a team to the SB. Some were even back ups. Jay Cutler, another example, was brought out of retirement and hired ahead of Kaepernick. As for why his close friends don't assert collusion, maybe it's because that, just like discrimination.....is a hard thing to prove even if it may appear apparent. And also I think that it's really not their place to fight that battle for him. That sounds like something for an attorney to do, not his cronies.
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