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Post by FLCardinalFan on Jul 30, 2023 11:56:18 GMT -7
Josh Jacobs was reportedly offered $12 million by the Raiders and turned it down. The franchise tag deadline has passed and Jacobs is is holding out of camp. Josh Jacobs led the league in rushing last year He had 1653 yards rushing a 4.9 yd per carry average and 12 TDS Receiving he had 53 receptions and 400 yds 0 TDS This will be his 5th season in the NFL Question for the Forum?
Do we make a trade as in the articles below?
Thoughts on this are: If we are in a rebuilding mode do we go out trade for and pay for a 5th year running back? Or do we wait draft a good back and go from there? Positives : Very good stats 4.9 per carry would take a lot of the load off Murray and our temporary QB. Decent receiver out of the backfield Injury concerns are not as bad as others here is a link to them last season www.foxsports.com/nfl/josh-jacobs-player-injuriesAge he is only 25 years old Should improve our running game Negatives: Raiders used him as a work horse back last season. Jacobs had 340 carries well over 100 more than the previous seasons He was wanted more than the $12 million Raiders were offering Can we afford him?. Raiders might eat some of the contract or no? Draft our own RB with our bevy of draft picks Will he thrive in our system. We will run the ball more Now to the articles www.si.com/nfl/cardinals/analysis/josh-jacobs-again-labeled-trade-candidate-arizona-cardinalswww.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-offered-to-make-josh-jacobs-one-of-five-highest-paid-running-backs-in-the-nfl-per-report/
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Post by AZBarbarian on Jul 30, 2023 12:31:13 GMT -7
The moves or lack thereof that the front office have made this year have pretty much signaled that they are stockpiling for the future.
No trade.
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Post by somecardsfan on Jul 31, 2023 7:54:55 GMT -7
Short answer, no to any big name RB's.
The long answer, RB position is a dying position. Tying up all that money for 1 RB is no longer the way to go. The best route is RB by committee. KC Chiefs do it and do it well. Basically, mediocre RB's that share the load, one goes down, its not a big hit. You tie your offense around a high end RB, they are going to want the ball, they are going to be a pain in the rear off the field as we have seen with Jacobs and now the Colts RB Taylor. I just prefer a young group of RB's that can rotate in and out. Works better in the long run IMO. The only position you cannot get away with even an above average player is at the QB position. The only team to do that so far in todays NFL are the 49ers. But in todays NFL, a team must find a high end franchise QB to make it work. Everything else will fall into place. The QB spot is so important in the league right now, I prioritize it over an oline. But oline is right there at number 2. But a high end QB can deal with a bad oline and a really good QB can make a bad oline look good, as I have said in the past Warner is a good example. Levi Brown was a starter on the line and finished in the top 10 each year under Warner. But with now a primarily passing league, the RB spot is not needed much anymore. Yes its needed to keep the defense honest, but the old days of running it down the opponents throat as a main part of the offense is no longer.
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Post by knobby on Jul 31, 2023 14:44:00 GMT -7
Short answer, no to any big name RB's. The long answer, RB position is a dying position. Tying up all that money for 1 RB is no longer the way to go. The best route is RB by committee. KC Chiefs do it and do it well. Basically, mediocre RB's that share the load, one goes down, its not a big hit. You tie your offense around a high end RB, they are going to want the ball, they are going to be a pain in the rear off the field as we have seen with Jacobs and now the Colts RB Taylor. I just prefer a young group of RB's that can rotate in and out. Works better in the long run IMO. The only position you cannot get away with even an above average player is at the QB position. The only team to do that so far in todays NFL are the 49ers. But in todays NFL, a team must find a high end franchise QB to make it work. Everything else will fall into place. The QB spot is so important in the league right now, I prioritize it over an oline. But oline is right there at number 2. But a high end QB can deal with a bad oline and a really good QB can make a bad oline look good, as I have said in the past Warner is a good example. Levi Brown was a starter on the line and finished in the top 10 each year under Warner. But with now a primarily passing league, the RB spot is not needed much anymore. Yes its needed to keep the defense honest, but the old days of running it down the opponents throat as a main part of the offense is no longer.
Generally agree with the above, yet we all saw what the Eagles did when in a 4th down and short situation.
The defense knew what was coming but could not stop it. That ability is still useful, and something the
Cardinals could have benefited from last season, yet it does not rely on great RBs alone.
The threat of running the ball must be ever present to help the passing game be productive, but that does not mean a star RB is necessary, just a solid group of contributors, big and small, strong and fast/elusive.
I think JG and MO are on the right track, and another good draft could transform our win/loss record, along with the entire organization having a big attitude adjustment. "Same old Cardinals" is out, thankfully.
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Post by somecardsfan on Aug 1, 2023 5:25:26 GMT -7
Short answer, no to any big name RB's. The long answer, RB position is a dying position. Tying up all that money for 1 RB is no longer the way to go. The best route is RB by committee. KC Chiefs do it and do it well. Basically, mediocre RB's that share the load, one goes down, its not a big hit. You tie your offense around a high end RB, they are going to want the ball, they are going to be a pain in the rear off the field as we have seen with Jacobs and now the Colts RB Taylor. I just prefer a young group of RB's that can rotate in and out. Works better in the long run IMO. The only position you cannot get away with even an above average player is at the QB position. The only team to do that so far in todays NFL are the 49ers. But in todays NFL, a team must find a high end franchise QB to make it work. Everything else will fall into place. The QB spot is so important in the league right now, I prioritize it over an oline. But oline is right there at number 2. But a high end QB can deal with a bad oline and a really good QB can make a bad oline look good, as I have said in the past Warner is a good example. Levi Brown was a starter on the line and finished in the top 10 each year under Warner. But with now a primarily passing league, the RB spot is not needed much anymore. Yes its needed to keep the defense honest, but the old days of running it down the opponents throat as a main part of the offense is no longer.
Generally agree with the above, yet we all saw what the Eagles did when in a 4th down and short situation.
The defense knew what was coming but could not stop it. That ability is still useful, and something the
Cardinals could have benefited from last season, yet it does not rely on great RBs alone.
The threat of running the ball must be ever present to help the passing game be productive, but that does not mean a star RB is necessary, just a solid group of contributors, big and small, strong and fast/elusive.
I think JG and MO are on the right track, and another good draft could transform our win/loss record, along with the entire organization having a big attitude adjustment. "Same old Cardinals" is out, thankfully.
A running game will always be needed, to keep the defense honest and for short yardage situation. Im just saying its not a priority anymore like it used to be. You used to have teams who were a run first team. The eagles actually implemented a sneaky qb sneak short yard situation where they would just shove the qb from behind to get short yardage and it worked even when the defense knew. But yeah a rb is still needed, just not as the primary focus of the offense and not a high paid, high talented rb like years past. A group of mediocre rb's would do just fine.
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Post by End Zone on Aug 1, 2023 12:28:05 GMT -7
My bottom line up front: Jacobs? Hell no. Use the Draft Rounds 3-4-5-6-7 and the UDFA process to find a RB1/RB2 and so on until the rock-hauling jobs are filled. It's a fool's bet to trade for a 'Name.' The right bet is to spread the limited payroll money around all the roster jobs, and sign "team" guys, and offer incentives for performance.
The top-10 paid RBs in the NFL today play for the following teams: Saints, 49ers, Titans, Packers, Browns, Panthers, Chargers, Falcons (rookie Robinson), Cardinals (Connor), and Lions. The cost of those 10 contracts is a staggering $220,958,535.00. The 2023 NFL CAP per team is $224,800,000.00. Just throwing some numbers out onto the poker table for anyone that thinks RBs are cheap or worth the investment. In fact, RB costs can throttle success elsewhere ultimately costing 'team' wins.
Answer this question: How many of those 10 teams with the highest-paid RBs made the playoffs in 2022? You and I know that answer.
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Post by End Zone on Aug 1, 2023 14:37:13 GMT -7
I think that ATL will rue the day they chose RB Robinson as their 1st pick in 2023. He's worth a good NFL contract, but not the gaga-millions the team was forced to pay for a top 1st Round Draft pick. After all, he's an RB.
Robinson will be fun to watch for a while. Injury is part of his profession. He might get a 2nd contract in 2027/2028. He has no chance at the HOF. Repeat -- he's an RB.
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Post by melgray85 on Aug 6, 2023 14:07:29 GMT -7
Ok so we pass on a shot at one of the best running backs in the league although running the ball will be top priority as stated by Gannon. Instead as I hear argued, we either use some of our draft capital to go out and get one of our own or just go with what we have already. My question then is.....if someone on the current roster or that we draft does for us what Jacobs has done for the Raiders do you then not pay them also and put hope in some other lesser back?
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Post by End Zone on Aug 6, 2023 16:54:30 GMT -7
I heard Gannon use the word "Win" in a sentence today. His lips were moving. It was not a sock puppet at the podium. I think this HC is a lot more crafty than some think. Is Gannon setting up the NFL?
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