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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 13, 2023 17:58:44 GMT -7
One of our best players may be a little unhappy. Rumors suggest that he was denied a contract extension.
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Post by knobby on Apr 13, 2023 19:02:37 GMT -7
He's halfway through a 4 year contract extension, and has
'23 and '24 seasons to go. He's 27 now, which may or may not be a factor... probably not at this point, but could be if he were to be extended again for another 2 years, for example.
I get it, the players now all want more money before their contracts are up... the door has been opened on that. But I thought maybe Budda might just be one to honor his
existing extension, THEN ask for more. However, it could also well be that he knows he can't last that long being the same slam-bang player he has been so far, and hopes to nail down more cash while it seems fair to do.
I hope he does not allow this to alienate his allegiance to the Cardinals, but these days the lust for money seems to rule.
Are Monti and Co. playing hardball? Is the rule now that there are set age cutoff points based on analytics, or on performance curves vs. player salary costs? Was Budda told to be patient because other things needed attention first? If so, did Budda decide to copy Kyler's snit to force the issue? That is one thing that I can't believe he would do. (but then what do I know of Budda's thinking, or anything
else above?)
All conjecture and supposition, at this point.
IMHO
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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 13, 2023 19:12:40 GMT -7
He's halfway through a 4 year contract extension, and has
'23 and '24 seasons to go. He's 27 now, which may or may not be a factor... probably not at this point, but could be if he were to be extended again for another 2 years, for example.
I get it, the players now all want more money before their contracts are up... the door has been opened on that. But I thought maybe Budda might just be one to honor his
existing extension, THEN ask for more. However, it could also well be that he knows he can't last that long being the same slam-bang player he has been so far, and hopes to nail down more cash while it seems fair to do.
I hope he does not allow this to alienate his allegiance to the Cardinals, but these days the lust for money seems to rule.
Are Monti and Co. playing hardball? Is the rule now that there are set age cutoff points based on analytics, or on performance curves vs. player salary costs? Was Budda told to be patient because other things needed attention first? If so, did Budda decide to copy Kyler's snit to force the issue? That is one thing that I can't believe he would do. (but then what do I know of Budda's thinking, or anything
else above?)
All conjecture and supposition, at this point.
IMHO
The sad face says it all. Terrible with great players in FB they become pricey fast. Can’t blame the man for looking out for himself, he has played beyond his pay so far. With the way the Cards have created a poor environment and poor record more years than good ones, it is hard to retain the better players. The cost to retain becomes high and happy even higher. Hope he gets one more contract in the desert…he is one player who has earned it.
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Post by Native Az on Apr 13, 2023 19:41:37 GMT -7
Hahahaha.
So is he selfish like K1? Immature since he changed his social media profile? Not a team player?
See when you label players that want more money these things they all will be labeled that way when the time to negotiate comes.
It’s nothing but business for these guys. I don’t have any issue with it since their windows are so small to cash in.
The question is what will the Cards do?
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 13, 2023 20:06:41 GMT -7
Hahahaha. So is he selfish like K1? Immature since he changed his social media profile? Not a team player? See when you label players that want more money these things they all will be labeled that way when the time to negotiate comes. It’s nothing but business for these guys. I don’t have any issue with it since their windows are so small to cash in. The question is what will the Cards do? Budda is one of the core players of this team. He could take a crap on Bidwill's desk and no one would freak out. People love Budda. People hate Kyler. Nothing new. Here's the real question though. Does Monti trade him if Budda gets a little too noisy?
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Post by somecardsfan on Apr 13, 2023 20:57:16 GMT -7
Ahh poor guy, unhappy huh? Don't care, it's a rebuild. The coaching staff and gm have no loyalty to the guy, its all business. If he ends up leaving, bu bye
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Post by knobby on Apr 13, 2023 21:27:48 GMT -7
Hahahaha. So is he selfish like K1? Immature since he changed his social media profile? Not a team player? See when you label players that want more money these things they all will be labeled that way when the time to negotiate comes.
It’s nothing but business for these guys. I don’t have any issue with it since their windows are so small to cash in. The question is what will the Cards do?
The point is, what does a legal contract mean? Is it just window dressing to be ignored? Do you pitch a bitch after a couple of years to try for more money, when you have more now than the average man will ever see in his working life - and more coming? Does that "time to negotiate" come whenever it is convenient, not as you have mutually agreed?
I hope Budda won't follow the wrong leader. IF he is intending to hold out or something similar, that would be a big change in his character and disappointing to see. We can only wait and see what develops over time.
Kyler was mentioned because he set a pattern which others saw to be profitable.
Cards management (MB principally) caved in under public and player pressure, and now is seeing the result. I can understand that critical players like KM and BB have leverage which most others on the team do not have, and play that card because they can. They are major, supposed critical elements to success, and not easily replaced with equals.
Nobody argues that Budda is not an exemplary team leader, and that is important. Balancing that against the need for a team rebuild is tough. It seems that there is a new sheriff in town in the form of Monti O, and he appears to have a firm grip on the
aim, the intent, and the actions required to make something great happen.
But to achieve that, some feelings will be injured and faces will come and go. I just hope Budda is not one who departs, willingly or otherwise. He has been a
superior example of what a player can and should do and be. I have a lot of respect for the man. He's earned every bit of it. I also hope our new staff and coaches will be able to see the same for themselves, long term.
IMHO
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Post by devongent on Apr 14, 2023 0:54:51 GMT -7
Here's the real question though. Does Monti trade him if Budda gets a little too noisy? Looking at the FA signing's then it seems clear Monti doesn't want player's on expensive contracts once hitting age 30. The longer term deal that Budda may be after would take him into this territory. I think the answer to question is a 'yes', we would trade him should the price be right (in terms of draft capital to reinvest at the start of the player cycle). Ossenfort's philosophy (of how to run this business) is going to be followed through and enforced without fear or favor. - IMHO of course.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 14, 2023 4:29:44 GMT -7
Bidwill could issue ATM cards to the players. Then they take what they want. If one guy get to the ATM and gets all the cash first, so be it. Others were just too slow. When the checkbook balance hits zero, the cards are all rejected, and all the players whine. Players have to understand that the owner does not have unlimited payroll dollars and cannot put all the dollars into one or two big contracts. The payroll top line is set by the NFL. These new monster $200M-$300M multi-year contracts are wrecking team budgets and creating stress in the locker room. Players's wives are bitching to other wives. Some new players get just pennies compared to vets. Poor kids get coal for Christmas.
Reliable Budda Baker is a valuable team member and the face of the franchise (it's not fussy Murray, BTW). I do not fault Baker and his agent for 'asking' a question about an extension. I also don't think the team is going to ignore Baker. He will be paid well and is okay.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 14, 2023 4:41:41 GMT -7
Hahahaha. So is he selfish like K1? Immature since he changed his social media profile? Not a team player? See when you label players that want more money these things they all will be labeled that way when the time to negotiate comes. It’s nothing but business for these guys. I don’t have any issue with it since their windows are so small to cash in. The question is what will the Cards do? Trade him we need picks lol. Oh we don't see Baker kicking and screaming at player's and coaches when he screws up like they did something wrong. I will say this,the owners are resposible for players actions by coddling players and not setting salary caps for each position. Have to create a pay scale and eliminate player agents. Time to play hard ball with all players until you rid the league of the current mentality we now see from players wanting more. Then when a player sit's out let him no matter who they are until they either change their mind or they are no longer relevant. Why does everyone have to cash in they all players can make plenty under player salary caps. If they had salary caps for players and bonuses they could kill the current method we see. Tired of players holding a team hostage. Make players honor their contract it's not so difficult or let them sit until you get a pay scale established. You think another league could get setup and compete against the nfl ? I don't think so many have tried and many went broke trying it. Players and their agents are killing the golden goose.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 14, 2023 5:28:29 GMT -7
I like Baker but once it became clear we were rebuilding he became expendable. He's one of my favorite current players but hasn't he already had 2 concussions? This wouldn't be a bad time to consider trading him.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 14, 2023 5:37:45 GMT -7
Hahahaha. So is he selfish like K1? Immature since he changed his social media profile? Not a team player? See when you label players that want more money these things they all will be labeled that way when the time to negotiate comes.
It’s nothing but business for these guys. I don’t have any issue with it since their windows are so small to cash in. The question is what will the Cards do?
The point is, what does a legal contract mean? Is it just window dressing to be ignored? Do you pitch a bitch after a couple of years to try for more money, when you have more now than the average man will ever see in his working life - and more coming? Does that "time to negotiate" come whenever it is convenient, not as you have mutually agreed?
I hope Budda won't follow the wrong leader. IF he is intending to hold out or something similar, that would be a big change in his character and disappointing to see. We can only wait and see what develops over time.
Kyler was mentioned because he set a pattern which others saw to be profitable.
Cards management (MB principally) caved in under public and player pressure, and now is seeing the result. I can understand that critical players like KM and BB have leverage which most others on the team do not have, and play that card because they can. They are major, supposed critical elements to success, and not easily replaced with equals.
Nobody argues that Budda is not an exemplary team leader, and that is important. Balancing that against the need for a team rebuild is tough. It seems that there is a new sheriff in town in the form of Monti O, and he appears to have a firm grip on the
aim, the intent, and the actions required to make something great happen.
But to achieve that, some feelings will be injured and faces will come and go. I just hope Budda is not one who departs, willingly or otherwise. He has been a
superior example of what a player can and should do and be. I have a lot of respect for the man. He's earned every bit of it. I also hope our new staff and coaches will be able to see the same for themselves, long term.
IMHO I agree with most of your thoughts Knobby, however teams will ask to reduce contracts or cut players if they view player under performing, so contracts are subjective. There are also advantages to teams by extending a contract early as player contracts continue to increase. With cap growing each year. The Cards could also be cash poor right now with all the poor choices on GM and coaching extensions and all the money set aside on K1’s contract. Then there is the poor win loss projection and team has bigger problems than burning a bridge with a safety. It is a business and the struggle for all parties to get what they can is a constant.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 14, 2023 5:47:55 GMT -7
Hahahaha. So is he selfish like K1? Immature since he changed his social media profile? Not a team player? See when you label players that want more money these things they all will be labeled that way when the time to negotiate comes. It’s nothing but business for these guys. I don’t have any issue with it since their windows are so small to cash in. The question is what will the Cards do? Budda isn’t 2-3 years on rookie contract. Each contract is very different as the players are not the same. Much more rare for a player to be team friendly when it comes to pay. AZ with all the disfunction has earned much of the distrust from players. I agree about players having to cash out when they can.
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Post by flash on Apr 14, 2023 7:53:39 GMT -7
MB: So Monti, I hear Buddha wants more money?
Monti: Yes he does, but it seems he was somewhat disappointed when I told him we could not do this right now.
MB: Buddha is one of our best players. You should have discussed this with me.
Monti: MB, if I can't handle a request for pay increase from a player, then I am not doing the job you hired me to do. You are too busy doing other stuff.
MB: I understand what you are saying, but was there a specific reason why you refused the pay increase?
Monti: No, it is just the way I am going to run things now that I am the new Sheriff. (Monti thinking to himself....If Buddha would have outrun D.K. Metcalf...I would have given him the contract he wants.)
MB: What if Buddha decides to leave because he can't get a new contract?
Monti: MB...one player does not make a team. Once we trade down in the draft...once or twice...we are for sure going to find another Buddha Baker. In fact, with all the draft picks I am going to get for you, we can't miss.
JG: Sounds Great Monti. (Thinking to himself...well there goes Will Anderson, there goes Christian Gonzalez, there goes Devon Witherspoon...doesn't Monti know I am a Defensive Coach? I am going to have to rely on multi 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks to build my defense? Just Great!!!!!)
MB: If we are going to trade down and then trade down again to end up with a late first round pick, who will we take first?
Monti: MB...all players selected that late in the first round are equal talent wise. So, we will just throw the dice and pick the best player that way. What do you think?
MB: Let's do it Sheriff Monti.
JG: I like this plan. (Thinking to himself....what the hell did I get myself into?)
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 14, 2023 12:44:15 GMT -7
Hahahaha. So is he selfish like K1? Immature since he changed his social media profile? Not a team player? See when you label players that want more money these things they all will be labeled that way when the time to negotiate comes. It’s nothing but business for these guys. I don’t have any issue with it since their windows are so small to cash in. The question is what will the Cards do? Budda isn’t 2-3 years on rookie contract. Each contract is very different as the players are not the same. Much more rare for a player to be team friendly when it comes to pay. AZ with all the disfunction has earned much of the distrust from players. I agree about players having to cash out when they can. Thats exactly what's wrong with the league as a whole ,the view that everyone needs to cash out. Somerthing tells me players once they know the cash out option is gone they will adjust and be happy to play for a few million a year and be fine.
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