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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 4, 2023 17:41:43 GMT -7
He has some speed 4.59
He is so crisp. Follows the ball better than most all the prospects. LaPorta running some great routes at the combine. Nothing jerky in his stride and movements. Can catch the deep ball as seen in the video below.
He will be a late first or early 2nd rder.
Not real big but comes from Iowa which has been putting out some great TEs like Hockenson. LaPorta 6 '3" 245. This kid has some good skills
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 4, 2023 18:26:45 GMT -7
You know...I hope that there's a OC that is willing to base his offense on TEs. They offer insane miss match potential at the fraction of the cost of WRs.
Some scouts are willing to say that Kincaid is the best receiving weapon on this year's draft, regardless of position. Imagine that tall target running amuck in a secondary in the MFC West.
LaPorta runs faster than some of the WRs that will be drafted.
We already have a TE that's faster than LaPorta on the roster.
Imagine these two behemoths running 4.5's against LBs or corners. Yes please
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 4, 2023 18:40:01 GMT -7
That football looks like a hotdog in that guys mitts.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 4, 2023 18:51:22 GMT -7
That football looks like a hotdog in that guys mitts. I saw that catch live Wow like i could not see the ball his hands are so big It didn/t show it in this angle. He is a good looking TE can block too He stuck it like glue!
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 4, 2023 19:01:44 GMT -7
I don't think that I will be able to mock him with our 2nd to last pick anymore...
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 4, 2023 19:08:42 GMT -7
That football looks like a hotdog in that guys mitts. I saw that catch live Wow like i could not see the ball his hands are so big It didn/t show it in this angle. He is a good looking TE can block too He stuck it like glue! He runs a faster 40 than Tweezy. Granted...Tweezy an definitely jump higher than him. Still...I imagine that this guy will make some DBs make business decisions...
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Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 5, 2023 4:31:06 GMT -7
I haven't seen mentioned here yet the surprise of the entire TE group though he did get a mention here ( Day 3 Stock Up - Stock Down ) -- Musgrave, Washington had good combines but the 2 guys who really helped their draft stock are Luke Schoonmaker - Michigan AND: Zack Kuntz - transfer from Penn State to Old Dominion who had crazy measurable #'s and at 6'7 3/8" is a great target for KM1. 40" arm length to go along with running the 2nd faster 40 time (4.55) but the two most "freakish" #'s for someone this tall was a 40" VERTICAL ! and 6.87" 3-cone drill. I really wonder how many guys even 6'5" and above have EVER had better measurables with these 2 performance categories. P.S. Kuntz also had the 2nd best 20 yd shuttle run as #1 went to Georgia TE Darnell Washington. I should say here that I do also like Laporta and I agree with the poster who stated more teams should center the offense around 2 quality TE's. Belichick tried to do it and revolutionize offensive play when he drafted Gronk & Hernandez in the same draft and it would have worked had the latter not been involved in a murder. IMPORTANT: from Monti's Wiki page: New England Patriots and In 2009, he was promoted to national scout and to assistant director of college scouting in 2011. Did you know the Pats drafted Gronk/Hernandez in April 2010 draft? I wonder if this is part of Monti's offensive building philosophy & would sure help our short QB see his receiving targets and no wonder DHop is as good as traded IMO. NOTE: You get a decent OL with a 210-220 lbs RB who can also catch and pair that running game with 12 personnel having 2 quality TE's and one speedster WR for play action deep shots 3-4X/game. The reason I believe this is a good strategy is either a defense drafts fast, lighter LB's to defend TE's but is susceptible to the power run game or they draft bigger run stuffing LB's who can't keep up at all with tall TE's running 40's in the 4.55 - 4.65 times. Most safeties are in the 5'10 - 6' height-wise and cannot cover accurately thrown balls to 6'5" with 82" wingspan Tight ends... it is unstoppable.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 5, 2023 7:05:24 GMT -7
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Post by CardSunsCard on Mar 5, 2023 8:14:34 GMT -7
You know...I hope that there's a OC that is willing to base his offense on TEs. They offer insane miss match potential at the fraction of the cost of WRs. Some scouts are willing to say that Kincaid is the best receiving weapon on this year's draft, regardless of position. Imagine that tall target running amuck in a secondary in the MFC West. LaPorta runs faster than some of the WRs that will be drafted. We already have a TE that's faster than LaPorta on the roster. Imagine these two behemoths running 4.5's against LBs or corners. Yes please I wonder which board member had been pumping this guy up since the beginning of the season:) It's a loaded TE class and given the WRs didn't impress me much, I hope we take one of the top 3 TEs this year. Outside of the SEC, I've always watched a lot of Iowa and Big 10 games. I don't think Laporta is as good as the last few Iowa TEs, but he doesn't have to be given I think he will be around in the 2nd round. I was a fan of taking McBride last year but I think Laporta is better than McBride. McBride is more like Kincaid or other pure play pass catchers. Laporta is far more balanced as a blocking threat. How did the Notre Dame TE look?
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Post by LD14 on Mar 5, 2023 9:13:43 GMT -7
That football looks like a hotdog in that guys mitts. D Wash-Bsaically an olineman who can catch! Some team is going to love him.
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Post by cardinalsins on Mar 5, 2023 10:07:50 GMT -7
You know...I hope that there's a OC that is willing to base his offense on TEs. They offer insane miss match potential at the fraction of the cost of WRs. Some scouts are willing to say that Kincaid is the best receiving weapon on this year's draft, regardless of position. Imagine that tall target running amuck in a secondary in the MFC West. LaPorta runs faster than some of the WRs that will be drafted. We already have a TE that's faster than LaPorta on the roster. Imagine these two behemoths running 4.5's against LBs or corners. Yes please I wonder which board member had been pumping this guy up since the beginning of the season:) It's a loaded TE class and given the WRs didn't impress me much, I hope we take one of the top 3 TEs this year. Outside of the SEC, I've always watched a lot of Iowa and Big 10 games. I don't think Laporta is as good as the last few Iowa TEs, but he doesn't have to be given I think he will be around in the 2nd round. I was a fan of taking McBride last year but I think Laporta is better than McBride. McBride is more like Kincaid or other pure play pass catchers. Laporta is far more balanced as a blocking threat. How did the Notre Dame TE look? Pretty good. I think he's an intangibles type of prospect too. Good atheletic score, but far from the best athelete in this class. That's what film is for though...and he was TE#1 prior to Combine.
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Post by flash on Mar 5, 2023 12:43:11 GMT -7
I haven't seen mentioned here yet the surprise of the entire TE group though he did get a mention here (Day 3 Stock Up - Stock Down ) -- Musgrave, Washington had good combines but the 2 guys who really helped their draft stock are Luke Schoonmaker - Michigan AND:
Zack Kuntz - transfer from Penn State to Old Dominion who had crazy measurable #'s and at 6'7 3/8" is a great target for KM1. 40" arm length to go along with running the 2nd faster 40 time (4.55) but the two most "freakish" #'s for someone this tall was a 40" VERTICAL ! and 6.87" 3-cone drill. I really wonder how many guys even 6'5" and above have EVER had better measurables with these 2 performance categories.
P.S. Kuntz also had the 2nd best 20 yd shuttle run as #1 went to Georgia TE Darnell Washington. I should say here that I do also like Laporta and I agree with the poster who stated more teams should center the offense around 2 quality TE's. Belichick tried to do it and revolutionize offensive play when he drafted Gronk & Hernandez in the same draft and it would have worked had the latter not been involved in a murder. IMPORTANT: from Monti's Wiki page: New England Patriots and In 2009, he was promoted to national scout and to assistant director of college scouting in 2011. Did you know the Pats drafted Gronk/Hernandez in April 2010 draft? I wonder if this is part of Monti's offensive building philosophy & would sure help our short QB see his receiving targets and no wonder DHop is as good as traded IMO.
NOTE: You get a decent OL with a 210-220 lbs RB who can also catch and pair that running game with 12 personnel having 2 quality TE's and one speedster WR for play action deep shots 3-4X/game. The reason I believe this is a good strategy is either a defense drafts fast, lighter LB's to defend TE's but is susceptible to the power run game or they draft bigger run stuffing LB's who can't keep up at all with tall TE's running 40's in the 4.55 - 4.65 times. Most safeties are in the 5'10 - 6' height-wise and cannot cover accurately thrown balls to 6'5" with 82" wingspan Tight ends... it is unstoppable. Don't forget who the QB was that threw to those two TE's. Brady. Once Hernandez and Gronk were not part of the equation, Brady still managed to be a winner. We do not have a Brady in Murray. Well, at least I have not seen that yet. We still have Ertz and McBride started to break out end of last season with back up QB's. Keep in mind that McBride hardly got the ball because Murray was throwing to Ertz and Hollywood and then to DeAndre when he returned. We took McBride with our first pick in the draft last year in the second round. McBride was the first TE off the board. I remember that when we drafted him, their was negativity about the pick because we already have Ertz. Should we draft a TE again in the first or second round, we would have Ertz, McBride and the TE Draftee.
Sorry guys, not thanks to a TE no matter how good he may be. I would rather address our WR position should we lose DeAndre. Or pick up the best CB with the pick that would be used for that TE....just sayin.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Mar 5, 2023 14:37:55 GMT -7
I wonder which board member had been pumping this guy up since the beginning of the season:) It's a loaded TE class and given the WRs didn't impress me much, I hope we take one of the top 3 TEs this year. Outside of the SEC, I've always watched a lot of Iowa and Big 10 games. I don't think Laporta is as good as the last few Iowa TEs, but he doesn't have to be given I think he will be around in the 2nd round. I was a fan of taking McBride last year but I think Laporta is better than McBride. McBride is more like Kincaid or other pure play pass catchers. Laporta is far more balanced as a blocking threat. How did the Notre Dame TE look? Pretty good. I think he's an intangibles type of prospect too. Good atheletic score, but far from the best athelete in this class. That's what film is for though...and he was TE#1 prior to Combine. It's ridiculous he's getting knocked for not being the best TE athlete. Dude ran a respectable 4.70, which when combined with his size and tape is great. No other TE blocks near as well as him other than maybe the Georgia TE, but the Georgia TE can't catch as well. (I like the GA TE so I'm not knocking him) Maxx Williams only ran a 4.78 so for me, I see him as a faster version of Maxx given he and Maxx are both block first guys. That's exactly what we need. For me, that's why I ONLY want Meyer, Washington or Laporta for TE. They are the only three that are blocking threats. Since all can run and catch they make perfect compliments to McBride on double TE sets
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Post by CardSunsCard on Mar 5, 2023 14:43:38 GMT -7
I haven't seen mentioned here yet the surprise of the entire TE group though he did get a mention here (Day 3 Stock Up - Stock Down ) -- Musgrave, Washington had good combines but the 2 guys who really helped their draft stock are Luke Schoonmaker - Michigan AND:
Zack Kuntz - transfer from Penn State to Old Dominion who had crazy measurable #'s and at 6'7 3/8" is a great target for KM1. 40" arm length to go along with running the 2nd faster 40 time (4.55) but the two most "freakish" #'s for someone this tall was a 40" VERTICAL ! and 6.87" 3-cone drill. I really wonder how many guys even 6'5" and above have EVER had better measurables with these 2 performance categories.
P.S. Kuntz also had the 2nd best 20 yd shuttle run as #1 went to Georgia TE Darnell Washington. I should say here that I do also like Laporta and I agree with the poster who stated more teams should center the offense around 2 quality TE's. Belichick tried to do it and revolutionize offensive play when he drafted Gronk & Hernandez in the same draft and it would have worked had the latter not been involved in a murder. IMPORTANT: from Monti's Wiki page: New England Patriots and In 2009, he was promoted to national scout and to assistant director of college scouting in 2011. Did you know the Pats drafted Gronk/Hernandez in April 2010 draft? I wonder if this is part of Monti's offensive building philosophy & would sure help our short QB see his receiving targets and no wonder DHop is as good as traded IMO.
NOTE: You get a decent OL with a 210-220 lbs RB who can also catch and pair that running game with 12 personnel having 2 quality TE's and one speedster WR for play action deep shots 3-4X/game. The reason I believe this is a good strategy is either a defense drafts fast, lighter LB's to defend TE's but is susceptible to the power run game or they draft bigger run stuffing LB's who can't keep up at all with tall TE's running 40's in the 4.55 - 4.65 times. Most safeties are in the 5'10 - 6' height-wise and cannot cover accurately thrown balls to 6'5" with 82" wingspan Tight ends... it is unstoppable. Don't forget who the QB was that threw to those two TE's. Brady. Once Hernandez and Gronk were not part of the equation, Brady still managed to be a winner. We do not have a Brady in Murray. Well, at least I have not seen that yet. We still have Ertz and McBride started to break out end of last season with back up QB's. Keep in mind that McBride hardly got the ball because Murray was throwing to Ertz and Hollywood and then to DeAndre when he returned. We took McBride with our first pick in the draft last year in the second round. McBride was the first TE off the board. I remember that when we drafted him, their was negativity about the pick because we already have Ertz. Should we draft a TE again in the first or second round, we would have Ertz, McBride and the TE Draftee.
Sorry guys, not thanks to a TE no matter how good he may be. I would rather address our WR position should we lose DeAndre. Or pick up the best CB with the pick that would be used for that TE....just sayin.
I can't justify using a first round pick on one, but this years WR class sucks. It's one of the weaker classes with even Jordan Addison disappointing at combine. We have plenty of WR speed and what we need is a possession WR. Those guys usually go later. Someone like Mingo. If we trade back we can still shore up trenches and CB, then go WR in the 3rd. This year's CB class is deep but it didn't impress as much as expected during the combine. I've lost some of desire for most the kids outside of Christian Gonzales. But let's say we trade back from #3, plus trade Nuk for an early 2nd. We will have enough picks that we can grab Gonzales at CB, 2 potential DL, and still get a top TE and Mingo.
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Post by flash on Mar 5, 2023 15:22:04 GMT -7
Don't forget who the QB was that threw to those two TE's. Brady. Once Hernandez and Gronk were not part of the equation, Brady still managed to be a winner. We do not have a Brady in Murray. Well, at least I have not seen that yet. We still have Ertz and McBride started to break out end of last season with back up QB's. Keep in mind that McBride hardly got the ball because Murray was throwing to Ertz and Hollywood and then to DeAndre when he returned. We took McBride with our first pick in the draft last year in the second round. McBride was the first TE off the board. I remember that when we drafted him, their was negativity about the pick because we already have Ertz. Should we draft a TE again in the first or second round, we would have Ertz, McBride and the TE Draftee.
Sorry guys, not thanks to a TE no matter how good he may be. I would rather address our WR position should we lose DeAndre. Or pick up the best CB with the pick that would be used for that TE....just sayin.
I can't justify using a first round pick on one, but this years WR class sucks. It's one of the weaker classes with even Jordan Addison disappointing at combine. We have plenty of WR speed and what we need is a possession WR. Those guys usually go later. Someone like Mingo. If we trade back we can still shore up trenches and CB, then go WR in the 3rd. This year's CB class is deep but it didn't impress as much as expected during the combine. I've lost some of desire for most the kids outside of Christian Gonzales. But let's say we trade back from #3, plus trade Nuk for an early 2nd. We will have enough picks that we can grab Gonzales at CB, 2 potential DL, and still get a top TE and Mingo. Do you think Mingo will be available in the 3rd round? He is ranked the 12th best WR according to this site. Seems to me, he would go mid or late second round. But, who knows. Here is the link to his ranking...
I would be all in for your scenario if Mingo would be there in the 3rd round. I will look at his highlights. I assume he is a possession WR like you mention. If he is, sign me up.
I just don't agree on a TE. Why? How many teams run 3 TE sets? Our new OC was a TE coach. Does this mean he will run 3 TE sets? Even if he runs 2 TE sets, Ertz will be at the top of that list. So, if we draft a TE, will he replace McBride as the second TE? I don't see that happening. McBride did well at last seasons end with our #3 and #4 QB. McBride was a second round pick but the first TE taken in last years draft. Do you see us drafting a TE that will be better than him? What if we draft a TE and he becomes our #3 TE? Don't you think he will be on the bench often? I would rather not draft a TE and use the pick on a different position that will get more playing time.
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