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Post by MT Diesel on Feb 28, 2023 9:15:01 GMT -7
If one of the stud defensive players are there at 3 we better take them. This whole being cute with draft picks has to stop. How does any defender protect K1? Protecting the most important position wouldn’t be considered cute, I would not oppose a trade down to put team in position for 2 or more top OL options. Also, a trade down a position for team wanting a QB would not effect best defender available. I get what you are recommending, but there are several options available for Monti, we will see soon if he is as good as advertised, soon. There is the scheme that JG wants to run that will change position value also or how their system values positions. There are so many holes that if it is 1st round or later I would imagine that extra 2023 picks would be part of the draft plan. It isn’t as if there is any one defender who is a NFL can’t miss. The amount of change in projections in last month has been surprising. Also, with the Combine the mental and medical tests will effect the team’s value on individual players. As long as Monti is well prepared and has solid intel I trust a better result in draft choices will be a reality in AZ and that is the best we can expect. I just want hits with each pick instead of the old glad if a dart hits the right balloon approach in the past. |
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Post by cardinalsins on Feb 28, 2023 9:25:49 GMT -7
Arizona Cardinals GM Monti Ossenfort will meet with the media at 10:30am Arizona time.
Jonathan Gannon is on deck for 12:15pm.
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Post by Native Az on Feb 28, 2023 10:18:25 GMT -7
If one of the stud defensive players are there at 3 we better take them. This whole being cute with draft picks has to stop. How does any defender protect K1? Protecting the most important position wouldn’t be considered cute, I would not oppose a trade down to put team in position for 2 or more top OL options. Also, a trade down a position for team wanting a QB would not effect best defender available. I get what you are recommending, but there are several options available for Monti, we will see soon if he is as good as advertised, soon. There is the scheme that JG wants to run that will change position value also or how their system values positions. There are so many holes that if it is 1st round or later I would imagine that extra 2023 picks would be part of the draft plan. It isn’t as if there is any one defender who is a NFL can’t miss. The amount of change in projections in last month has been surprising. Also, with the Combine the mental and medical tests will effect the team’s value on individual players. As long as Monti is well prepared and has solid intel I trust a better result in draft choices will be a reality in AZ and that is the best we can expect. I just want hits with each pick instead of the old glad if a dart hits the right balloon approach in the past. My thinking on this is that Chicago is trading out of 1 and they will probably be going to 4 spot. From there the first two picks will be QBs. That means we get the best player in the draft outside a QB. A generational talent on defense which is never a bad idea. There are also tons of olineman in this draft and TEs so we will get a good olineman early in the 2nd. If we want more picks then trade Nuk because no olineman is generational this draft from what we are seeing. I want Will Anderson if he is there at 3. My view is no one else compares to him this year in the draft. How far down are you thinking of trading? |
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Post by cardinalsins on Feb 28, 2023 10:32:04 GMT -7
Both of their picks please!
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Post by End Zone on Feb 28, 2023 11:07:43 GMT -7
NFL.com talking heads are at the NFL Combine in Indy. While listening to the a.m. show this morning, I heard a discussion about the Panthers and Raiders trading to move into the #1 and #2 spots and taking QBs. The idea was that the Raiders trade up with Chicago. Raiders take Bryce Young. Colts trade up and swap spots with Texans. Colts take C. J. Stroud. Cardinals sit tight at #3 and pick their defense player of the century, Mr. ___________. Texans at #4 take the 3rd QB Josh Levis.
Chicago does not need a starting QB. Texans need a starting QB and a lot more help. Cardinals do not need a starting QB. Colts need a starting QB. Three QBs are taken in the first 4 spots. Cardinals get their guy, Mr. __________, and everyone is happy.
Right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 11:57:25 GMT -7
NFL.com talking heads are at the NFL Combine in Indy. While listening to the a.m. show this morning, I heard a discussion about the Panthers and Raiders trading to move into the #1 and #2 spots and taking QBs. The idea was that the Raiders trade up with Chicago. Raiders take Bryce Young. Colts trade up and swap spots with Texans. Colts take C. J. Stroud. Cardinals sit tight at #3 and pick their defense player of the century, Mr. ___________. Texans at #4 take the 3rd QB Josh Levis. Chicago does not need a starting QB. Texans need a starting QB and a lot more help. Cardinals do not need a starting QB. Colts need a starting QB. Three QBs are taken in the first 4 spots. Cardinals get their guy, Mr. __________, and everyone is happy. Right? Are we sure Cardinals dont need a starting QB?  I think its more like, the Cardinals are stuck with a specific QB. |
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Post by ricardo on Feb 28, 2023 11:59:49 GMT -7
NFL.com talking heads are at the NFL Combine in Indy. While listening to the a.m. show this morning, I heard a discussion about the Panthers and Raiders trading to move into the #1 and #2 spots and taking QBs. The idea was that the Raiders trade up with Chicago. Raiders take Bryce Young. Colts trade up and swap spots with Texans. Colts take C. J. Stroud. Cardinals sit tight at #3 and pick their defense player of the century, Mr. ___________. Texans at #4 take the 3rd QB Josh Levis. Chicago does not need a starting QB. Texans need a starting QB and a lot more help. Cardinals do not need a starting QB. Colts need a starting QB. Three QBs are taken in the first 4 spots. Cardinals get their guy, Mr. __________, and everyone is happy. Right? Yeah, Right...LOL! |
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Post by MT Diesel on Feb 28, 2023 13:28:36 GMT -7
How does any defender protect K1? Protecting the most important position wouldn’t be considered cute, I would not oppose a trade down to put team in position for 2 or more top OL options. Also, a trade down a position for team wanting a QB would not effect best defender available. I get what you are recommending, but there are several options available for Monti, we will see soon if he is as good as advertised, soon. There is the scheme that JG wants to run that will change position value also or how their system values positions. There are so many holes that if it is 1st round or later I would imagine that extra 2023 picks would be part of the draft plan. It isn’t as if there is any one defender who is a NFL can’t miss. The amount of change in projections in last month has been surprising. Also, with the Combine the mental and medical tests will effect the team’s value on individual players. As long as Monti is well prepared and has solid intel I trust a better result in draft choices will be a reality in AZ and that is the best we can expect. I just want hits with each pick instead of the old glad if a dart hits the right balloon approach in the past. My thinking on this is that Chicago is trading out of 1 and they will probably be going to 4 spot. From there the first two picks will be QBs. That means we get the best player in the draft outside a QB. A generational talent on defense which is never a bad idea. There are also tons of olineman in this draft and TEs so we will get a good olineman early in the 2nd. If we want more picks then trade Nuk because no olineman is generational this draft from what we are seeing. I want Will Anderson if he is there at 3. My view is no one else compares to him this year in the draft. How far down are you thinking of trading? My opinion really has no value, but personally I would not be opposed to trading down one or multiple times to get first selection in the 10-13 pick. I like fleecing Seattle if they go QB with a 5 and 20 for 3. I would also take another trade down from there to get to 13 or less. I evaluate players different than most based on need, fit, and talent. From the reading about the players and what they were expected to do and their experience and tape I do not value Anderson as high as many. Why, Although Anderson is a solid player he did not have as many obstacles to overcome as one of his former team mates that is very similar to him and PFF and many others are rating him as a ILB instead of OLB that he is as good at as Anderson. A month ago Anderson was top 5ish and Sanders was closer to top 50. Currently both are getting closer to top ten in projected mock drafts. Why. Most likely the “experts” are gaining knowledge of an obvious oversight in early projections. Here is a little snip on part of my reasoning: (as per Sanders) Both Alabama and Arkansas have him list as OLB. That is where Bama primarily used him. He only moved inside for Arkansas because they needed the help more there. He will most likely be and OLB in a 3-4 scheme at the NFL level. I highly doubt anybody is drafting him for ILB. There has been a misconception of where he will play in NFL, based on last year at Ark. where he played most snaps at ILB because of need and he excelled at ILB, but he is a natural OLB pass rushing specialist with ability to play run at a high level and good cover skills when asked to drop in coverage. Sanders overcame transferring to new coaching in SEC and did not skip a beat although asked to do things he did not do at Alabama. On tape he sheds blocks and has pass rush skills to overcome even double teams. He can play inside also that is very difficult to read and react. His tackling is superb and he is smart, dynamic and versatile in short a great FB player and team leader even when changing teams. His height at 6’5” is too tall for most teams wants at ILB in NFL and this is where most are pigeon holing him. His high value IMO is his pass rush skills length size and speed 6’5” 240LBs. He is young being a junior. He can also drop into coverage if asked to and is well at adapting to different coaching based on his college career and is a West coast guy being from TX originally. Now that I side tracked you with my view on sanders and Anderson, I would take Sanders with first pick and if there could be an extra 1st round pick with scenario I stated with Seattle. Then Cards would have a great pass rusher and be able to take a top CB or OL of choice before the original 2nd round pick. To be able to pick a player a bit lower without sacrificing talent and fit is better in my mind and have two or more players who can play right away is better the way the roster sits. We have the combine to further compare Sanders and Anderson and Cards FO get to interview both so many things can happen. There is a good chance neither of the two discussed here are drafted by Cards. Both are solid picks. as stated earlier there is a great chance of better results with SK out of the picture. *I am very confident in my view of Sanders, he has been overlooked publicly. Much like me screaming for C Creed a couple years ago and to think they took Moore over him makes me want to puke…still.(best C in NFL and started day one) As I post this O’Cyrus is mocked by Bucky Brooks at #9 to Panthers( pretty high for a Guard and yet worth it, he is actually that generational player you speak of) Word on the street is Niner’s looking for another QB.LOL Kyle is looking for another victim (Purdy still can’t have surgery and his future isn’t looking good after the Reddeck hit to his arm) |
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Post by MT Diesel on Feb 28, 2023 13:35:17 GMT -7
While addressing press at the combine Mike McDaniels just used the word congruence….and some say FB guys are a bunch of dummies
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Post by cardinalsins on Feb 28, 2023 13:39:21 GMT -7
I love reading this. Go get your QB Seattle.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Feb 28, 2023 14:13:13 GMT -7
CARDINALS COACH Jonathan Gannon presser at the NFL Combine
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Post by CardsFanQC on Feb 28, 2023 14:51:23 GMT -7
My thinking on this is that Chicago is trading out of 1 and they will probably be going to 4 spot. From there the first two picks will be QBs. That means we get the best player in the draft outside a QB. A generational talent on defense which is never a bad idea. There are also tons of olineman in this draft and TEs so we will get a good olineman early in the 2nd. If we want more picks then trade Nuk because no olineman is generational this draft from what we are seeing. I want Will Anderson if he is there at 3. My view is no one else compares to him this year in the draft. How far down are you thinking of trading? My opinion really has no value, but personally I would not be opposed to trading down one or multiple times to get first selection in the 10-13 pick. I like fleecing Seattle if they go QB with a 5 and 20 for 3. I would also take another trade down from there to get to 13 or less. I evaluate players different than most based on need, fit, and talent. From the reading about the players and what they were expected to do and their experience and tape I do not value Anderson as high as many. Why, Although Anderson is a solid player he did not have as many obstacles to overcome as one of his former team mates that is very similar to him and PFF and many others are rating him as a ILB instead of OLB that he is as good at as Anderson. A month ago Anderson was top 5ish and Sanders was closer to top 50. Currently both are getting closer to top ten in projected mock drafts. Why. Most likely the “experts” are gaining knowledge of an obvious oversight in early projections. Here is a little snip on part of my reasoning: (as per Sanders) Both Alabama and Arkansas have him list as OLB. That is where Bama primarily used him. He only moved inside for Arkansas because they needed the help more there. He will most likely be and OLB in a 3-4 scheme at the NFL level. I highly doubt anybody is drafting him for ILB. There has been a misconception of where he will play in NFL, based on last year at Ark. where he played most snaps at ILB because of need and he excelled at ILB, but he is a natural OLB pass rushing specialist with ability to play run at a high level and good cover skills when asked to drop in coverage. Sanders overcame transferring to new coaching in SEC and did not skip a beat although asked to do things he did not do at Alabama. On tape he sheds blocks and has pass rush skills to overcome even double teams. He can play inside also that is very difficult to read and react. His tackling is superb and he is smart, dynamic and versatile in short a great FB player and team leader even when changing teams. His height at 6’5” is too tall for most teams wants at ILB in NFL and this is where most are pigeon holing him. His high value IMO is his pass rush skills length size and speed 6’5” 240LBs. He is young being a junior. He can also drop into coverage if asked to and is well at adapting to different coaching based on his college career and is a West coast guy being from TX originally. Now that I side tracked you with my view on sanders and Anderson, I would take Sanders with first pick and if there could be an extra 1st round pick with scenario I stated with Seattle. Then Cards would have a great pass rusher and be able to take a top CB or OL of choice before the original 2nd round pick. To be able to pick a player a bit lower without sacrificing talent and fit is better in my mind and have two or more players who can play right away is better the way the roster sits. We have the combine to further compare Sanders and Anderson and Cards FO get to interview both so many things can happen. There is a good chance neither of the two discussed here are drafted by Cards. Both are solid picks. as stated earlier there is a great chance of better results with SK out of the picture. *I am very confident in my view of Sanders, he has been overlooked publicly. Much like me screaming for C Creed a couple years ago and to think they took Moore over him makes me want to puke…still.(best C in NFL and started day one) As I post this O’Cyrus is mocked by Bucky Brooks at #9 to Panthers( pretty high for a Guard and yet worth it, he is actually that generational player you speak of) Word on the street is Niner’s looking for another QB.LOL Kyle is looking for another victim (Purdy still can’t have surgery and his future isn’t looking good after the Reddeck hit to his arm) WF had updated recently their scouting report on Drew Sanders accentuating his speed and flexibility to play in either a 4-3 or 3-4 ... something JG would like. I think you'll be in disagreement with a few scouts they talked to about Sanders vs. the run though -- (BTW: I like Sanders as I think there will be at least 2-3 guys better than Will Anderson as a rush LB in this draft, the trick is to find which ones) Drew Sanders Scouting Report |
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Post by MT Diesel on Feb 28, 2023 15:15:45 GMT -7
WF had updated recently their scouting report on Drew Sanders accentuating his speed and flexibility to play in either a 4-3 or 3-4 ... something JG would like. I think you'll be in disagreement with a few scouts they talked to about Sanders vs. the run though -- (BTW: I like Sanders as I think there will be at least 2-3 guys better than Will Anderson as a rush LB in this draft, the trick is to find which ones) Drew Sanders Scouting ReportAs always every one has a thought about players as per scouts and sometimes they just put stuff out that the film doesn’t confirm. Sanders is still growing and his long frame can hold more muscle, that I can agree with. But much like Zach Allen when he played for KC and Vikings at DE he had that long slender build and country strong to go with it. CJ had plenty of Knocks in game also, the things he could do is what was important. Zach Allen played for Idaho State in college and was much closer to 245-250 than the 265-270 they listed him as, he had stick legs. The speed, leverage, long arms and hand play is what separates the pass rushers. Anderson is an inch shorter and 10-15 LBs heavier than Sanders, the combine will show the arm length. Today Anderson is a bit better, but I like Sanders base talent and a higher ceiling on things he can do in NFL. Sanders has a bit of the country strong I like in FB players. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Feb 28, 2023 15:26:22 GMT -7
WF had updated recently their scouting report on Drew Sanders accentuating his speed and flexibility to play in either a 4-3 or 3-4 ... something JG would like. I think you'll be in disagreement with a few scouts they talked to about Sanders vs. the run though -- (BTW: I like Sanders as I think there will be at least 2-3 guys better than Will Anderson as a rush LB in this draft, the trick is to find which ones) Drew Sanders Scouting ReportAs always every one has a thought about players as per scouts and sometimes they just put stuff out that the film doesn’t confirm. Sanders is still growing and his long frame can hold more muscle, that I can agree with. But much like Zach Allen when he played for KC and Vikings at DE he had that long slender build and country strong to go with it. CJ had plenty of Knocks in game also, the things he could do is what was important. Zach Allen played for Idaho State in college and was much closer to 245-250 than the 265-270 they listed him as, he had stick legs. The speed, leverage, long arms and hand play is what separates the pass rushers. Anderson is an inch shorter and 10-15 LBs heavier than Sanders, the combine will show the arm length. Today Anderson is a bit better, but I like Sanders base talent and a higher ceiling on things he can do in NFL. Sanders has a bit of the country strong I like in FB players. Just to clarify, you mean Jared Allen who had 136 sacks for the Vikings. Sanders is definitely intriguing prospect. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Feb 28, 2023 17:29:09 GMT -7
As always every one has a thought about players as per scouts and sometimes they just put stuff out that the film doesn’t confirm. Sanders is still growing and his long frame can hold more muscle, that I can agree with. But much like Zach Allen when he played for KC and Vikings at DE he had that long slender build and country strong to go with it. CJ had plenty of Knocks in game also, the things he could do is what was important. Zach Allen played for Idaho State in college and was much closer to 245-250 than the 265-270 they listed him as, he had stick legs. The speed, leverage, long arms and hand play is what separates the pass rushers. Anderson is an inch shorter and 10-15 LBs heavier than Sanders, the combine will show the arm length. Today Anderson is a bit better, but I like Sanders base talent and a higher ceiling on things he can do in NFL. Sanders has a bit of the country strong I like in FB players. Just to clarify, you mean Jared Allen who had 136 sacks for the Vikings. Sanders is definitely intriguing prospect. Yes at least you were able to put two and two together. Huk for Nuk is my usual butchering. Jared the first to say from school of Culinary on TV intros. I watched him live at games when Montana played ISU. They were in same conference, I was at the game that Idaho St retired his jersey. A very down to earth guy and great competitor. |
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I think its more like, the Cardinals are stuck with a specific QB.
