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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 29, 2024 15:39:00 GMT -7
Gambo just stated on 98.7 that the Cardinals (as did other NFL teams) viewed Cooper DeJean as a safety and had him highly rated but Monti didn't want to spend such a high pick on safety. They had Melton rated above Cooper as a CB and over Kool-Aid. Again Kool-Aid is man-to-man CB - Cards play zone. Here is another very knowledgeable football guy with 40+ Yrs in football and produced many top CB's - who thinks very highly of Max Melton: Hall of Fame Coach says Max Melton is his #1 sleeper cornier in the entire draftGood to know, thanks. My concern was they gambled with the small trade down and lost out on the guy they really wanted. Melton is a good pick.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 29, 2024 16:14:25 GMT -7
I use voice texting primarily so I'm not going to try to pronounce his name but I want to see our rookie tight end bus some heads the very first day of practice. I think the Cardinal will find out very quickly about all the defensive backs drafted when they have to go up against this man beast.
I could also see him catching maybe 50 passes after of course he has beaten half the defense up.
I gave the Cardinals draft a b. Primarily not an a because several of these players will need to develop. But any grade we give now doesn't matter at all because they put the pads on yet.
I do think the first game of the season should be treated as a super bowl by the Cardinals coaching staff. This is a much younger team now and even the little dude's confidence has been shaking a little. This team needs to get a win on opening day so that they can expect to win instead of hoping to win.
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Post by belac44 on Apr 29, 2024 16:23:55 GMT -7
Gambo said the Cards had Melton rated higher than DeJean and actually see him as more of a safety.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 29, 2024 17:53:46 GMT -7
JV podcast this evening had the U of Illinois OC on to comment about Illini Reiman and Adams. - The OC was TE Coach for Arkansas under Beilema and compared Reiman to Hunter Henry
- OC said Adams is a very good Guard but they needed a tackle this year and Isaiah wanted to help the team and made the move.
- OC brought up in 2022 when the Illini led the Big 10 in rushing, Adams was playing his true position @ Guard and he was dominant.
- OC said that they are grown man strong and pick up schemes quickly -- Reiman is age 23 and Adams will be 24 in July. Because of their age which does help their strength to block 300 lb men, IMO they need to produce dividends in 2024.
NOTE: Another tidbit in the broadcast was that Edge Player from Alabama - Chris Braswell said the best OT he went against in the SEC = Texas Tackle Christian Jones picked by the Cardinals in 5th round !!
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 29, 2024 19:08:33 GMT -7
JV podcast this evening had the U of Illinois OC on to comment about Illini Reiman and Adams. - The OC was TE Coach for Arkansas under Beilema and compared Reiman to Hunter Henry
- OC said Adams is a very good Guard but they needed a tackle this year and Isaiah wanted to help the team and made the move.
- OC brought up in 2022 when the Illini led the Big 10 in rushing, Adams was playing his true position @ Guard and he was dominant.
- OC said that they are grown man strong and pick up schemes quickly -- Reiman is age 23 and Adams will be 24 in July. Because of their age which does help their strength to block 300 lb men, IMO they need to produce dividends in 2024.
NOTE: Another tidbit in the broadcast was that Edge Player from Alabama - Chris Braswell said the best OT he went against in the SEC = Texas Tackle Christian Jones picked by the Cardinals in 5th round !! Honestly one of the concerns I had throughout the draft were the number of pandemic affected older players who at 23 and 24 should be better and stronger than a 21 or 22 year old, so if we were to draft them I wanted them clearly dominant. I’d take tape, measurables and combine numbers and whenever players were close I’d be taking the younger guy. If they are as good as a 24 year old already, they have more room to grow. I’m not sold on Adams. I’m afraid our Oline coach who spent a week working with him may have gotten biased somehow. I’m very open to being wrong. We need great guards.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Apr 29, 2024 22:36:07 GMT -7
We still have not addressed the interior of our offensive line. It was a big problem under Steve Keim and it continues to be an issue under this GM. I predict we will have the same problem next year in that we will struggle to run inside and truly control the game. We still need a starting center and two guards. We didn't address any of those in this year's draft. I think this will delay the progress of the Cardinals.
I still think we drafted too many defensive backs and didn't emphasize the trenches enough. The reason the 49ers are so dominant because of their offensive and defensive line. The overemphasis on the secondary in this draft was a real weakness. Yes, we need two starting corners but we didn't need to draft 3 corners and a safety.
DeJean, McKinstry and Lassiter were all better corners. All played against better competition in college. Monti gambled and assumed one of those three would be there at 43. I would have taken Kris Jenkins, DT out of Michigan instead at that spot. We have struggled against the run and Jenkins is known as a run stopper and defender. He faced great competition playing at Michigan and the BIg 10 is a run heavy conference so the DT's have to be physical.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2024 4:42:09 GMT -7
We still have not addressed the interior of our offensive line. It was a big problem under Steve Keim and it continues to be an issue under this GM. I predict we will have the same problem next year in that we will struggle to run inside and truly control the game. We still need a starting center and two guards. We didn't address any of those in this year's draft. I think this will delay the progress of the Cardinals.
I still think we drafted too many defensive backs and didn't emphasize the trenches enough. The reason the 49ers are so dominant because of their offensive and defensive line. The overemphasis on the secondary in this draft was a real weakness. Yes, we need two starting corners but we didn't need to draft 3 corners and a safety.
DeJean, McKinstry and Lassiter were all better corners. All played against better competition in college. Monti gambled and assumed one of those three would be there at 43. I would have taken Kris Jenkins, DT out of Michigan instead at that spot. We have struggled against the run and Jenkins is known as a run stopper and defender. He faced great competition playing at Michigan and the BIg 10 is a run heavy conference so the DT's have to be physical.
The 49ers have one of the best RB's in the league, one of the best TE's in the league, one of the best WR duos in the league. The Cardinals cannot fix every position in one draft. This is going to take time, anyone who thinks this next season is a win now season has not been paying attention. They will once again not be a very good team, but one step closer. They still are 2-3 years from being a playoff level team. Whats the rush? I wont question who they drafted, a this point, because they have more insight to players vs us fans.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 30, 2024 10:33:53 GMT -7
Instead of judging the team by who we got, I think we have to judge based on the fact we had an insane amount of capital. And the real question is, should we have received much more given said capital. I think we should have and I definitely think that some guys like Reignman could have been drafted two rounds lower. So while I don't dislike more than one pick, I do think we vastly underperformed given the capital we had, and perhaps the only reason we are super stoked is we are so used to idiots like Keim drafting. If I were issuing a grade it would have been B minus. I don’t really understand this logic. Using your assumption that he would have been available 2 rounds later - Monti would have had 3 other opportunities to draft Tip. Why would he use the selection he did on Tip if he thought he would still be on the board then? He obviously did not think so and it’s easy to read between the lines that other teams were high on him as well. It's less of an assumption and more the fact he wasn't projected to go until two rounds later. Taking a guy you like early is fine. I think I'd have understood taking him in the 4th - a round earlier than projected. This was a deep TE class but not one with much elite talent absent Bowers. And 'blocking first' TEs usually don't get taken early. Ratings wise, the NFL.com guys said Reinman and the Michigan TE were both about equal in blocking talent so this is more of a question of value more than anything else. If you take a kid two rounds earlier than expected he's expected to be a stud. I like the kid and I like the pick since I'm all about having multiple TEs and running Heavy/Jumbo sets. I've just never seen a blocking first TE get taken so much earlier than expected. Also, TEs almost never get valued high unless they can do everything and have speed. Bowers is a perfect example. Bowers was projected as the best TE of the last decade and he didn't even crack Top-10. (I recognize much of that was insane amount of QBs going early) I have to hope that maybe they know something we don't. Something like his college coaches saying he's better than his stats indicate because maybe they didn't run an offense that let the kid showcase pass catching. I was a huge Maxx Williams fan and they say this kid could be like Maxx. If he ends up being that good I won't complain. This kid was taken about 60 picks earlier than anticipated. Do I think some other teams did research and might have taken him before his projected round? Sure. Often, when teams really like someone you see them take a kid 30-45 picks ahead of schedule. It's just math for me. My guess is the chance of missing out on the kid would have been less than 3% had we traded back and taken him 45 spots ahead of analyst projections. And for me, 3% chance of missing out isn't reason enough not to pick up an additional pick in 2025, or trade back then, take the kid later in the round, then use extra picks to trade back up again for the next pick. That's all.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 30, 2024 10:40:42 GMT -7
We still have not addressed the interior of our offensive line. It was a big problem under Steve Keim and it continues to be an issue under this GM. I predict we will have the same problem next year in that we will struggle to run inside and truly control the game. We still need a starting center and two guards. We didn't address any of those in this year's draft. I think this will delay the progress of the Cardinals.
I still think we drafted too many defensive backs and didn't emphasize the trenches enough. The reason the 49ers are so dominant because of their offensive and defensive line. The overemphasis on the secondary in this draft was a real weakness. Yes, we need two starting corners but we didn't need to draft 3 corners and a safety.
DeJean, McKinstry and Lassiter were all better corners. All played against better competition in college. Monti gambled and assumed one of those three would be there at 43. I would have taken Kris Jenkins, DT out of Michigan instead at that spot. We have struggled against the run and Jenkins is known as a run stopper and defender. He faced great competition playing at Michigan and the BIg 10 is a run heavy conference so the DT's have to be physical.
Are you forgetting about Gaines? He looked good before he got hurt last year. I do agree with you on Jenkins. Missing out on him, when we had the NEED at that spot, was one of the reasons I was a bit miffed about taking a TE as early as we did. I'm not upset about the CBs at all.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 30, 2024 11:09:29 GMT -7
Funny thing about commenting about draft value right after the draft. We don't have a clue what the actual value of these players are until 2 or 3 years down the road. I for one simply do not care when a player is drafted if he turns out to be a great player. Every year it's the same talking heads and sports writers proclaiming this player's going to be great, that player is going to be horrible. Why in the world did team x draft player why in the round they did? They are right about 40% of the time.
I like to use aneus Williams as an example. He was drafted in the third rounds by the Cardinals and was the still of the draft that year. He was not a first round draft pick because he went to Southern University because he wanted to honor his father who attended that university. He had offers at many major universities. He went to say Ohio State he would have been a first round draft pick. However if the Cardinals would have drafted him in the first round then the pundits and many fans would have screamed OMG! How can they reach that far for this guy?
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 30, 2024 12:04:08 GMT -7
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Post by JustTwoBeers on Apr 30, 2024 20:15:45 GMT -7
Besides Marvin, the best part of this draft was the third round. I loved the message it sent about our offensive identity. We are gonna have big road pavers up front, 3 scary running backs, and a nasty TE who enjoys blocking.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 30, 2024 20:45:41 GMT -7
Besides Marvin, the best part of this draft was the third round. I loved the message it sent about our offensive identity. We are gonna have big road pavers up front, 3 scary running backs, and a nasty TE who enjoys blocking. I was honestly pretty shocked as the third round began to unwind. I had assumed, wrongly, that we would get our WR1 and a guard for offense in the first two days of the draft and that would be pretty much it, alongside an extreme focus on drafting defense, which was by far our big liability last year. When we drafted Benson, I was shocked but wrote “now that’s a weapon!” in the draft thread the moment it happened. I always drafted a RB in my mocks, but on day 3. Here we were taking one of the top three in this draft…perhaps the best. All the sudden we are going guard and this psychopath athletic old school blocking tight end, and I was confused for a bit. Later in the thread I wrote that that third round just showed us the plan for this draft and season. Finishing the offense Gannon sees most likely to help Kyler and the Cardinals succeed long term. That they do have a plan. We all know Year 1’s plan…it was obvious and is now in the rear view mirror. Year 2 was largely completing the offense in the image of old school smash mouth running games, deep RB stables, blocking TE’s, maybe even an fullback, and big strong receiving targets. Im excited to watch this all coming together this year and last, and what we will do next year as well.
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Post by CardCore on May 1, 2024 8:53:44 GMT -7
Gambo just stated on 98.7 that the Cardinals (as did other NFL teams) viewed Cooper DeJean as a safety and had him highly rated but Monti didn't want to spend such a high pick on safety. They had Melton rated above Cooper as a CB and over Kool-Aid. Again Kool-Aid is man-to-man CB - Cards play zone. Here is another very knowledgeable football guy with 40+ Yrs in football and produced many top CB's - who thinks very highly of Max Melton: Hall of Fame Coach says Max Melton is his #1 sleeper cornier in the entire draft Ya gotta love that the Cards travel to play Green Bay this season and Max has a brother named Bo that's a WR for the Packers. Man I hope they're both healthy and playin'!👍
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Post by CardCore on May 1, 2024 9:09:54 GMT -7
I don’t really understand this logic. Using your assumption that he would have been available 2 rounds later - Monti would have had 3 other opportunities to draft Tip. Why would he use the selection he did on Tip if he thought he would still be on the board then? He obviously did not think so and it’s easy to read between the lines that other teams were high on him as well. It's less of an assumption and more the fact he wasn't projected to go until two rounds later. Taking a guy you like early is fine. I think I'd have understood taking him in the 4th - a round earlier than projected. This was a deep TE class but not one with much elite talent absent Bowers. And 'blocking first' TEs usually don't get taken early. Ratings wise, the NFL.com guys said Reinman and the Michigan TE were both about equal in blocking talent so this is more of a question of value more than anything else. If you take a kid two rounds earlier than expected he's expected to be a stud. I like the kid and I like the pick since I'm all about having multiple TEs and running Heavy/Jumbo sets. I've just never seen a blocking first TE get taken so much earlier than expected. Also, TEs almost never get valued high unless they can do everything and have speed. Bowers is a perfect example. Bowers was projected as the best TE of the last decade and he didn't even crack Top-10. (I recognize much of that was insane amount of QBs going early) I have to hope that maybe they know something we don't. Something like his college coaches saying he's better than his stats indicate because maybe they didn't run an offense that let the kid showcase pass catching. I was a huge Maxx Williams fan and they say this kid could be like Maxx. If he ends up being that good I won't complain. This kid was taken about 60 picks earlier than anticipated. Do I think some other teams did research and might have taken him before his projected round? Sure. Often, when teams really like someone you see them take a kid 30-45 picks ahead of schedule. It's just math for me. My guess is the chance of missing out on the kid would have been less than 3% had we traded back and taken him 45 spots ahead of analyst projections. And for me, 3% chance of missing out isn't reason enough not to pick up an additional pick in 2025, or trade back then, take the kid later in the round, then use extra picks to trade back up again for the next pick. That's all. This kid was taken about 60 picks earlier than anticipated. Do I think some other teams did research and might have taken him before his projected round? Sure. Often, when teams really like someone you see them take a kid 30-45 picks ahead of schedule. It's just math for me. My guess is the chance of missing out on the kid would have been less than 3% had we traded back and taken him 45 spots ahead of analyst projections. This post is littered with the idea that the Cards braintrust is more likey brain DEAD, since they didn't fall in line with "analyst projections". You might consider waiting a year or 2 before drawing that kind of conclusion.
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