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Post by supercard on Apr 24, 2024 4:21:18 GMT -7
If we trade KM for no 2. Goes back to KK. Jayden Daniel’s, We get highly mobile qb, accurate and would fit Cards offense perfectly. We trade our no 35 as well, but keeping our 4 and 27. Absorb some of KM salary hit. Trade 4 to Giants 6, pickup 2nd. Grab Nabers, JD’s favorite target. Trade like this never happens but it would blow up this draft.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 24, 2024 6:46:58 GMT -7
If we trade KM for no 2. Goes back to KK. Jayden Daniel’s, We get highly mobile qb, accurate and would fit Cards offense perfectly. We trade our no 35 as well, but keeping our 4 and 27. Absorb some of KM salary hit. Trade 4 to Giants 6, pickup 2nd. Grab Nabers, JD’s favorite target. Trade like this never happens but it would blow up this draft. It would never happen but I'd be fine with it.
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Post by supercard on Apr 24, 2024 9:04:10 GMT -7
Yep, that’s a complete reset.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 24, 2024 9:35:10 GMT -7
Why on Earth would WAS's new mgt take Murray and that contract off MO's hands? Daniels will be a bargain cost with a clean medical sheet. There is no KK and KM manlove.
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Post by RedCards on Apr 24, 2024 17:09:33 GMT -7
If we trade KM for no 2. Goes back to KK. Jayden Daniel’s, We get highly mobile qb, accurate and would fit Cards offense perfectly. We trade our no 35 as well, but keeping our 4 and 27. Absorb some of KM salary hit. Trade 4 to Giants 6, pickup 2nd. Grab Nabers, JD’s favorite target. Trade like this never happens but it would blow up this draft. I ben saying this since the season ended . Murray is going to be out there for possible trade . No way we pass up a #4 pick without scoring a new QB . I bet we even trade up and Murray's is the mix along with some of our other 1st or second round picks . I cant wait. Total new rebuild.
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Post by flash on Apr 24, 2024 19:05:16 GMT -7
If we trade KM for no 2. Goes back to KK. Jayden Daniel’s, We get highly mobile qb, accurate and would fit Cards offense perfectly. We trade our no 35 as well, but keeping our 4 and 27. Absorb some of KM salary hit. Trade 4 to Giants 6, pickup 2nd. Grab Nabers, JD’s favorite target. Trade like this never happens but it would blow up this draft. It would never happen but I'd be fine with it. I agree that it would never happen...but why would I want to trade a QB that got us once to a 11 win season to take a chance on a Rookie QB?
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 24, 2024 19:08:36 GMT -7
If we trade KM for no 2. Goes back to KK. Jayden Daniel’s, We get highly mobile qb, accurate and would fit Cards offense perfectly. We trade our no 35 as well, but keeping our 4 and 27. Absorb some of KM salary hit. Trade 4 to Giants 6, pickup 2nd. Grab Nabers, JD’s favorite target. Trade like this never happens but it would blow up this draft. The bust rate of Qb's I will just ride it out with KM until there is no more excuses.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 25, 2024 6:25:52 GMT -7
It would never happen but I'd be fine with it. I agree that it would never happen...but why would I want to trade a QB that got us once to a 11 win season to take a chance on a Rookie QB? A couple of reasons: 1. Do you think he's really the best-fit guy for the offense our current coach wants to run? Or are we just sticking with him because we are stuck, cap wise, for this year? I think coach wants a QB who is athletic but can take some hits, ala Hurts or Josh Allen mold. 2. Even in his best year, you have to ask yourself, do I think the kid can win 'playoff games' not just ball during the regular season? Some QBs, or even elite athletes in other sports are known for putting up great regular season numbers but always fall flat on their face come playoff time. No one can possibly know Kyler's future because it's unfair to judge him off one major playoff failure. But he did look so poor during THAT Ram's loss this it does make you wonder. Any speculation at this point would just be conjecture, I admit that, but my gut tells me Kyler is always going to be one of those guys that can get you to the playoffs but then is responsible for early exits. Because of limitations we have ALL debated Ad Naseum. There are different types of fans. Some just want a consistently competitive team. Others, like myself, care more about Championships. Perhaps it's because I grew up a St. Louis Cardinals baseball fan and I'm used to winning championships. I don't mind going All-in then sitting through a few really bad rebuild years. I also don't care whether the product is exciting. I only care about results. I think that's maybe why I disagree with some on Kyler's ceiling. Or whether he's ever going to be 'the guy' or not. Winning 10 games and getting to playoffs does nothing for me. We've been there and done that before. What we haven't done is complete the journey, and I don't want any QB that I don't think can ultimately LEAD our team to win the SB. I fully expect Kyler to put up great numbers over his career if he stays healthy. And I think he's always going to be one of those guys folks love to debate because some will point to his great regular season numbers, while detractors will point out lack of playoff wins. To all his biggest supporters I'd pose this question for them to ponder. When you look at Kyler, do you see that 'killer instinct' that one usually needs to win Championships? That certain something guys like Jordan, Lebron, Brady, Mahomes.... has. What Favre, Elway and Peyton have? Every athlete plays for money, but when you look at the greats, it was never about the money. It's why Brady always re-structured his contract giving up some money to win more. Because it's all he cared about. When one looks at guys like Warner, all you see is a guy who rose above his limitations. Meticulous in preparation, because he knew he had to make up for his limitations. The older these guys got, the harder they worked, because they knew they had to make up for declines in certain areas like mobility. What you see when you look at any of the greats is this drive that no one and nothing is going to stop them. Not getting old. Not being injured. Nothing. Personally, I don't think it's Kyler's fault. I think most kids don't have those instincts anymore because kids today are parented much different. Most are coddled. I won't get into politics, but one look around the world and there are many examples of this. Every year I see fewer and fewer kids that have these instincts. Younger players today are raised with more advantages in the athletic department because they've been trained better. They know more about things like nutrition. But the one thing I just don't see in most is that killer instinct, or the drive. This is why I prefer to draft kids who have faced adversity before they get to the NFL. If they face adversity before they get here, you have a much better idea about how mentally tough they are. I'm not really 100% sold on Nix, and I doubt he will ever win a Championship, but he's a good example of someone who had to overcome a lot of adversity because of what happened at Auburn. Rattler got chased out of OU and went through something similar. It's why smaller school QBs sometimes do well, be it Josh Allen or others, because they have that chip on their shoulder because big schools never came calling, not to mention, they played on teams with minimal support, so you know they are used to carrying teams, vs. someone like Kyler who had elite talent in both High School and College, so his first taste of adversity was when he arrived here. Do I think Kyler may one day win in the playoffs? Sure. But I think he needs to be somewhere, like in a KK system. I also think his team will have to sacrifice a whole lot of cap space/draft capital to cover his shortfalls by 'over investing' in the OL and WRs. And because of how that will hurt other areas like the defense, I think that just risks ever winning a championship. At end of the day, winning a Wildcard game is meaningless to me. I don't expect our QB to have to win Super Bowls. I do want to have confidence they can win us enough playoff games to at least get us to the big dance. Do I think a rookie QB from this year's class will get there? Yes. Do I know which one it will be? No. This year's QB class is murky to me. Lots of talent but I really can't say who is the best. I also think we may all be surprised at who ends up getting furthest first. For all we know it could end up being someone like Rattler. Or Penix.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 25, 2024 12:41:52 GMT -7
I put much more value on football basics such as blocking tackling running correct route knowing the correct position to be in over tricky schemes. Also 1000% believe that regardless of what scheme a coach wants to run if he doesn't adapt his scheme to fit the strengths of the players that he's a fool.
Given that Gannon seems to favor the quarterback under center with lots of play action I say we give the little dude a chance to see when he gets more comfortable being under center what he can do. No one can argue about his arm strength and if the Cardinals were able to consistently run the ball then I can see lots of long touchdown passes off of play action. Most opponents will want to play a lot of zone against the little dude because of the running threat and this is where is presumably questionable ability to read defenseless comes into play.
If I were allowed to design plays for the Cardinals with little dude at quarterback nearly every single pass play would include a quickly available check down to one side of the formation or the other. I would want Murray to know that on almost every past play if he did face quick pressure then he had a first option available for a shorter easier completion. Honestly thought that rondell Moore would have been better served to have been coached into a amendola type receiver under Kingsbury system. Now that he's gone and we have dortch I think he could develop into the same kind of wide receiver. I see no sense whatsoever in short fast receivers running long routes unless it's against man-to-man coverage but I never ever want to see another fade or a 50/50 ball thrown to a small receiver.
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