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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 17, 2024 11:30:15 GMT -7
With the new Peter Shraggs mock draft and Giant proposed trade LA picks MJH and Cards pick Odunze at #6.
Skipping the combine and his father being his mouthpiece.
Are these too much out of type of traits in playersJG is looking to build team with?
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 17, 2024 11:37:09 GMT -7
We can't know. But Gannon does talk about a "price of admission" to being a Cardinal. I don't know 100% what that means.
I do speculate Odunze is a Gannon type guy, because I've watched every interview I can find of the kid. He's smart, passionate, personable and wants to prove he's the best. MHJ comes off as polite, professional and a bit robotic.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 17, 2024 11:40:43 GMT -7
With the new Peter Shraggs mock draft and Giant proposed trade LA picks MJH and Cards pick Odunze at #6. Skipping the combine and his father being his mouthpiece. Are these too much out of type of traits in playersJG is looking to build team with? If Chargers don't pick MHJ at #5 (Nabers/Alt) ... then Monti is choosing MHJ at #6. Cards do like Odunze too which is why they would like to trade down, pick up a few picks and risk that MHJ might not be there at #6; however MHJ is #1 on their board and would be the pick if he is there. Monti and staff covet more draft picks though. BTW - Schrager has been accurate to what Cards and Giants have done in the past so I do believe a trade scenario between #6 and #4 is very possible. IN FACT, last week in this forum, I even posted my prediction that EARLY this week Giants would pick up the phone and call Monti for a serious discussion of Giants trading up.
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Post by devongent on Apr 17, 2024 12:33:41 GMT -7
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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 17, 2024 13:26:34 GMT -7
With the new Peter Shraggs mock draft and Giant proposed trade LA picks MJH and Cards pick Odunze at #6. Skipping the combine and his father being his mouthpiece. Are these too much out of type of traits in playersJG is looking to build team with? If Chargers don't pick MHJ at #5 (Nabers/Alt) ... then Monti is choosing MHJ at #6. Cards do like Odunze too which is why they would like to trade down, pick up a few picks and risk that MHJ might not be there at #6; however MHJ is #1 on their board and would be the pick if he is there. Monti and staff covet more draft picks though. BTW - Schrager has been accurate to what Cards and Giants have done in the past so I do believe a trade scenario between #6 and #4 is very possible. IN FACT, last week in this forum, I even posted my prediction that EARLY this week Giants would pick up the phone and call Monti for a serious discussion of Giants trading up.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 17, 2024 13:27:11 GMT -7
If Chargers don't pick MHJ at #5 (Nabers/Alt) ... then Monti is choosing MHJ at #6. Cards do like Odunze too which is why they would like to trade down, pick up a few picks and risk that MHJ might not be there at #6; however MHJ is #1 on their board and would be the pick if he is there. Monti and staff covet more draft picks though. BTW - Schrager has been accurate to what Cards and Giants have done in the past so I do believe a trade scenario between #6 and #4 is very possible. IN FACT, last week in this forum, I even posted my prediction that EARLY this week Giants would pick up the phone and call Monti for a serious discussion of Giants trading up. I think you are accurate
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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 17, 2024 13:32:58 GMT -7
A TE is not the value of any of the top 5 or so WRs in this draft IMHO Bowers is the short TE with small hands. LOL His injury in 2023 doesn’t help in his value, someone will fall in love with him. The CSU TE that played with McBide in college maybe a sleeper pick late for the Cards.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 17, 2024 13:37:53 GMT -7
A TE is not the value of any of the top 5 or so WRs in this draft IMHO Bowers is the short TE with small hands. LOL His injury in 2023 doesn’t help in his value, someone will fall in love with him. The CSU TE that played with McBide in college maybe a sleeper pick late for the Cards. Holker. I love this kid and wonder if McBride will put in a word. He’s an older “rookie” who did the Mormon mission thing. Not sure he could ever be a TE1, but I liked watching him at the combine. His wife Taye is a track stud and would trespass with Dallin at CSU once a week, hopping the fence and lobbing 100-200 footballs to him with the JUGGS machine. I like that family work ethic.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 17, 2024 16:25:02 GMT -7
I love all this psychoanalysis stuff being done by us matchbook-degreed PhDs. I admit I'm one and I enjoy trying to figure out who is worthy of the Cardinals pick, if the rookie's personality is a fit for the coaching staff, and even if the team Captains like the rookie. Is Harrison good enough? Of course he is. How about Odunze? Good enough? Of course he is. I bet a U.S. dollar right now that at the end of 2024 there will not be an eyelash difference between Harrison and Odunze's performances. Murray will throw to someone he can see and someone who is open.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 17, 2024 19:18:34 GMT -7
I love all this psychoanalysis stuff being done by us matchbook-degreed PhDs. I admit I'm one and I enjoy trying to figure out who is worthy of the Cardinals pick, if the rookie's personality is a fit for the coaching staff, and even if the team Captains like the rookie. Is Harrison good enough? Of course he is. How about Odunze? Good enough? Of course he is. I bet a U.S. dollar right now that at the end of 2024 there will not be an eyelash difference between Harrison and Odunze's performances. Murray will throw to someone he can see and someone who is open. There is also an argument with the amount of draft capital the Cards have…if Monti and JG think MHJ is a slam dunk or the clear best WR or non QB prospect in 2024…why would a trade down be considered. As per the thread title…does MJH’s offseason moves…cause a lessening of trust or confidence in him being desirable as per team fit or the right mentality? The first team activities revealed a very positive player buy-in and willingness to get a jump on the 2024 season. Seemed like with some player weeding in 2023 it had positive team effects and JG talks about having a clear vision for the team and the type of players he values. There is also the strength of the WR depth and volume in the 2024 draft that may be shifting a need to get a premium position other than WR early to get a starter in OL or edge or CB early and double dip on WRs after the first pick wether at #4 or a trade down. As your last sentence indicates…K1 doesn’t require a WR as much as having a better pocket or protection or a better defense to keep the opponents score lower or for them to have less time of possession. There is no less than 10 WRs in this draft that will make Cards WR room better than they currently are.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 17, 2024 19:54:19 GMT -7
A lot of talk again today (yesterday?) in the press by Gannon about the Cardinals culture, team first guys, player leadership, vet players “owning” the team. I do wonder what that means for a guy who sat out his team’s loss at the Cotton Bowl, skipped the workouts at the NFL Combine, then skipped the scheduled press at conference at the combine, and chose not to participate in the Buckeyes Pro Day. You can make a case for all these things, and his case is “we” meaning he and his father chose to “prepare for the NFL instead. Gannon might have an opinion about all that, especially when compared to Odunze, who chose to play for his team in their Sugar Bowl win, went all out at the combine, did lots of press saying he wants to be the best, and after his drills were over was spotted doing the drills again trying to reach goals.
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Post by belac44 on Apr 17, 2024 20:10:28 GMT -7
A TE is not the value of any of the top 5 or so WRs in this draft IMHO Bowers is the short TE with small hands. LOL His injury in 2023 doesn’t help in his value, someone will fall in love with him. The CSU TE that played with McBide in college maybe a sleeper pick late for the Cards. Dallin Holker is someone I have taken in later rounds. I would think McBride would push for him a bit. Knew of him at CSU and he got some attention at combine with his two ball catch. Would be a nice compliment TE to McBride, I feel they need to land one in this draft.
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Post by supercard on Apr 18, 2024 12:05:38 GMT -7
We can't know. But Gannon does talk about a "price of admission" to being a Cardinal. I don't know 100% what that means. I do speculate Odunze is a Gannon type guy, because I've watched every interview I can find of the kid. He's smart, passionate, personable and wants to prove he's the best. MHJ comes off as polite, professional and a bit robotic. From all reports the Odunze top 30 visit was sensational. Everything that you could want in wr. So don’t think Monti has any issue with drafting him at 6 if the Giants trade happens. Starting to feel a little uneasy about MHJ.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 18, 2024 12:08:36 GMT -7
With the new Peter Shraggs mock draft and Giant proposed trade LA picks MJH and Cards pick Odunze at #6. Skipping the combine and his father being his mouthpiece. Are these too much out of type of traits in playersJG is looking to build team with? They have determined MHJ speed to be in the 40 4.39 and he does everything well do you think they wouldn't draft him because he didn't workout in the underwear olympics and or the scripted school pro days ? Come on man talent is talent plain and simple does everything well. A father that has played the game knows what it is like is that such a bad thing to have him in your corner ?
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 18, 2024 12:09:26 GMT -7
We can't know. But Gannon does talk about a "price of admission" to being a Cardinal. I don't know 100% what that means. I do speculate Odunze is a Gannon type guy, because I've watched every interview I can find of the kid. He's smart, passionate, personable and wants to prove he's the best. MHJ comes off as polite, professional and a bit robotic. Just slower then MHJ lol
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