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Post by thomas cat on Apr 9, 2024 18:47:40 GMT -7
I seriously hope... the cards Do Not take MHJ @4. Gotta a bad gut feeling over taking him # 4 or just taking him period. I see Diva and not in any way a good thing. I have to admit, I'm kind of like you. My gut tells me the same thing. While gut feelings can certainly be wrong, more often than not my gut has served me well. Having said that. If we do go for him at #4, I will root for his success and hope my gut feeling was just the result of eating a peperoni pizza too close to bed time....lol
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Post by knobby on Apr 9, 2024 19:09:00 GMT -7
I seriously hope... the cards Do Not take MHJ @4. Gotta a bad gut feeling over taking him # 4 or just taking him period. I see Diva and not in any way a good thing. I have to admit, I'm kind of like you. My gut tells me the same thing. While gut feelings can certainly be wrong, more often than not my gut has served me well. Having said that. If we do go for him at #4, I will root for his success and hope my gut feeling was just the result of eating a peperoni pizza too close to bed time....lol Hmmm. I thought it was just old age, negativism, experience and caution, but I too have had an odd feeling about that. But then I also had Covid, and it has included some irritating after effects. Pizza not at fault here...
If he is picked I will join the crowd and support him for as long as he earns his keep.
IMHO
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 10, 2024 3:43:34 GMT -7
I seriously hope... the cards Do Not take MHJ @4. Gotta a bad gut feeling over taking him # 4 or just taking him period. I see Diva and not in any way a good thing. I have to admit, I'm kind of like you. My gut tells me the same thing. While gut feelings can certainly be wrong, more often than not my gut has served me well. Having said that. If we do go for him at #4, I will root for his success and hope my gut feeling was just the result of eating a peperoni pizza too close to bed time....lol PJJ says MHJ was the hardest working player on the Ohio State Squad. When tweets started coming out that the first 3 picks in the 2024 NFL draft would be QB's, MHJ "liked" the posts. Believe it or not, I think MHJ wants to be a Cardinal as this article points out - MHJ likes Post connecting him to Cardinals
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Post by cbltv on Apr 10, 2024 15:52:17 GMT -7
Part of my problem with MHJ which I stated somewhere, is him bailing on OSU at the Sugar Bowl contest against Mizzou, The Bailing on the Combine and iirc, his Pro day at OSU. Now as DH has ointed out MHS is Definitely directing MHJ traffic atm.
If MHJ had played with his team in the Sugar Bowl; Minus their season starting QB who transfered(big Flag there), and with the backup QB, had Beaten Mizzou I would have a different opinion. Then his talent would've been showcased. Fear of injury is Not an acceptable excuse for me.
If the Cards move back from #4 in a trade, then getting one of the LSU WRs at 23 that would be very palatable for me. The Pick we would get For #4 could then be used for best OL or D player out there.
I realize I'm in the minority on this issue. But those 2 LSU WRs can run just as fast, actually leap higher, and can catch the ball in traffic like Dhop used to do. MHJ is not a leaper in traffic from what I have read. Depends more on the back shoulder catch.
Anyway, that is my 2 Cents on this subject.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 11, 2024 6:40:18 GMT -7
Part of my problem with MHJ which I stated somewhere, is him bailing on OSU at the Sugar Bowl contest against Mizzou, The Bailing on the Combine and iirc, his Pro day at OSU. Now as DH has pointed out MHS is Definitely directing MHJ traffic atm. If MHJ had played with his team in the Sugar Bowl; Minus their season starting QB who transfered(big Flag there), and with the backup QB, had Beaten Mizzou I would have a different opinion. Then his talent would've been showcased. Fear of injury is Not an acceptable excuse for me. If the Cards move back from #4 in a trade, then getting one of the LSU WRs at 23 that would be very palatable for me. The Pick we would get For #4 could then be used for best OL or D player out there. I realize I'm in the minority on this issue. But those 2 LSU WRs can run just as fast, actually leap higher, and can catch the ball in traffic like Dhop used to do. MHJ is not a leaper in traffic from what I have read. Depends more on the back shoulder catch. Anyway, that is my 2 Cents on this subject. CBLTV, don't sweat being in the minority. At least you think for yourself and say what you think. Most of the majority follows the herd and repeats other's thoughts. I'm fine if ARZ #4 trades down and Harrison is scooped up by another team (unless its SF, LAR, SEA). Odunze and Nabers will be outstanding WRs if matched up with a F-HOF QB.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 11, 2024 22:14:46 GMT -7
Part of my problem with MHJ which I stated somewhere, is him bailing on OSU at the Sugar Bowl contest against Mizzou, The Bailing on the Combine and iirc, his Pro day at OSU. Now as DH has ointed out MHS is Definitely directing MHJ traffic atm. If MHJ had played with his team in the Sugar Bowl; Minus their season starting QB who transfered(big Flag there), and with the backup QB, had Beaten Mizzou I would have a different opinion. Then his talent would've been showcased. Fear of injury is Not an acceptable excuse for me. If the Cards move back from #4 in a trade, then getting one of the LSU WRs at 23 that would be very palatable for me. The Pick we would get For #4 could then be used for best OL or D player out there. I realize I'm in the minority on this issue. But those 2 LSU WRs can run just as fast, actually leap higher, and can catch the ball in traffic like Dhop used to do. MHJ is not a leaper in traffic from what I have read. Depends more on the back shoulder catch. Anyway, that is my 2 Cents on this subject. Welcome to the “think outside the media narrative” team!
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Post by cbltv on Apr 13, 2024 14:52:46 GMT -7
Part of my problem with MHJ which I stated somewhere, is him bailing on OSU at the Sugar Bowl contest against Mizzou, The Bailing on the Combine and iirc, his Pro day at OSU. Now as DH has ointed out MHS is Definitely directing MHJ traffic atm. If MHJ had played with his team in the Sugar Bowl; Minus their season starting QB who transfered(big Flag there), and with the backup QB, had Beaten Mizzou I would have a different opinion. Then his talent would've been showcased. Fear of injury is Not an acceptable excuse for me. If the Cards move back from #4 in a trade, then getting one of the LSU WRs at 23 that would be very palatable for me. The Pick we would get For #4 could then be used for best OL or D player out there. I realize I'm in the minority on this issue. But those 2 LSU WRs can run just as fast, actually leap higher, and can catch the ball in traffic like Dhop used to do. MHJ is not a leaper in traffic from what I have read. Depends more on the back shoulder catch. Anyway, that is my 2 Cents on this subject. Welcome to the “think outside the media narrative” team! LSU Kicked Mizzou's Butt with those 2 WRs during regular season play. LSU and Georgia only Mizzou losses. I do like the RB for Mizzou Cody Schrader though. IF he is still available by 4th Rd, I would be happy if Monti/Gannon would take him there.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 13, 2024 18:06:59 GMT -7
Are we waiting on the results of the draft trade thread and then voting on MHJ, other players or a the winner trade option of the trade thread?
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Post by devongent on Apr 14, 2024 0:18:19 GMT -7
Are we waiting on the results of the draft trade thread and then voting on MHJ, other players or a the winner trade option of the trade thread? I think we are. Voting appears to have ceased, maybe we should now put the Giants Trade option against Harrison (or any other named individual)?
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 14, 2024 8:23:16 GMT -7
My mock today simulated what may happen in 11 days -- I kept trying to trade down from #4 with Giants/Vikings but those teams would not trade enough to make it happen. Giants would not part with #47 and another 2024/2025 mid rounder and the Vikings would not give up the 2025 1st round with #12-#23.
So I took MHJ at #4 but then a scenario I posted about in the last few days occurred at#27 -- Penix was available and the Raiders called for a trade up to #27, The initial offer was Raiders #44 and a 2025 2nd rounder for #27 but I countered with the Raiders 2025 FIRST Rounder and trade was accepted. I did a few other minor trades but here was my draft haul and I still got MHJ - weakest positions strengthened - 2 WR's including MHJ, 2 DT, Edge, 2 CB's (BTW: I think Cam Hart is under-valued as a CB and is a steal at #131) & OG in 2024 but possibly the teams 2025 center.
I believe all of the below draftees would make the roster with probably Liufau on PS but he may surprise. After talking with some scouts, here is WF's analysis of Liufau: "Pro evaluators say they love how Liufau is extremely fast and athletic. They labelled his instincts as good but not great, but he is very violent and can play stacked or rush the quarterback. They state he is a different kind of player with an exceptional skill set. Liufau could be a nice sleeper value pick."
#4 - MHJ #35 - Darius Robinson Edge.DE Missouri #44 - Cooper DeJean CB #71 - Sedrick Van Pran-Granger OG/OC Georgia #74 - Maason Smith DT LSU #95 - Roman Wilson WR Michigan #104 - DeWayne Cater DT Duke #109 - Jaylen Wright RB TN -- 7.3 Yds/Carry #131 - Cam Hart CB Notre Dame #162 - Marist Liufau LB Notre Dame 2025 Raiders 1st Rounder which could be top 10
I only did 5 rounds so Monti would still have a couple of picks left -
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Post by End Zone on Apr 14, 2024 15:23:27 GMT -7
My mock today simulated what may happen in 11 days -- I kept trying to trade down from #4 with Giants/Vikings but those teams would not trade enough to make it happen. Giants would not part with #47 and another 2024/2025 mid rounder and the Vikings would not give up the 2025 1st round with #12-#23. So I took MHJ at #4 but then a scenario I posted about in the last few days occurred at#27 -- Penix was available and the Raiders called for a trade up to #27, The initial offer was Raiders #44 and a 2025 2nd rounder for #27 but I countered with the Raiders 2025 FIRST Rounder and trade was accepted. I did a few other minor trades but here was my draft haul and I still got MHJ - weakest positions strengthened - 2 WR's including MHJ, 2 DT, Edge, 2 CB's (BTW: I think Cam Hart is under-valued as a CB and is a steal at #131) & OG in 2024 but possibly the teams 2025 center. I believe all of the below draftees would make the roster with probably Liufau on PS but he may surprise. After talking with some scouts, here is WF's analysis of Liufau: "Pro evaluators say they love how Liufau is extremely fast and athletic. They labelled his instincts as good but not great, but he is very violent and can play stacked or rush the quarterback. They state he is a different kind of player with an exceptional skill set. Liufau could be a nice sleeper value pick." #4 - MHJ#35 - Darius Robinson Edge.DE Missouri #44 - Cooper DeJean CB #71 - Sedrick Van Pran-Granger OG/OC Georgia #74 - Maason Smith DT LSU #95 - Roman Wilson WR Michigan #104 - DeWayne Cater DT Duke #109 - Jaylen Wright RB TN -- 7.3 Yds/Carry #131 - Cam Hart CB Notre Dame #162 - Marist Liufau LB Notre Dame 2025 Raiders 1st Rounder which could be top 10 I only did 5 rounds so Monti would still have a couple of picks left - I have to know who else is available at #27 before saying yes to that Raiders' call for a trade. Getting Robinson and DeJean are guesses but would make losing #27's value for a year tolerable. Also, we don't know where the Raiders 1st pick will end up in 2025. We all thought we stole a great pick from the Texans last year. Look how that steal turned out for the Texans and Cardinals. I'd argue the Texans won. The same can happen again with a trade to the Raiders in 2025, but not likely per my math predictions. The Raiders are not close to being competitive.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 14, 2024 16:00:07 GMT -7
My mock today simulated what may happen in 11 days -- I kept trying to trade down from #4 with Giants/Vikings but those teams would not trade enough to make it happen. Giants would not part with #47 and another 2024/2025 mid rounder and the Vikings would not give up the 2025 1st round with #12-#23. So I took MHJ at #4 but then a scenario I posted about in the last few days occurred at#27 -- Penix was available and the Raiders called for a trade up to #27, The initial offer was Raiders #44 and a 2025 2nd rounder for #27 but I countered with the Raiders 2025 FIRST Rounder and trade was accepted. I did a few other minor trades but here was my draft haul and I still got MHJ - weakest positions strengthened - 2 WR's including MHJ, 2 DT, Edge, 2 CB's (BTW: I think Cam Hart is under-valued as a CB and is a steal at #131) & OG in 2024 but possibly the teams 2025 center. I believe all of the below draftees would make the roster with probably Liufau on PS but he may surprise. After talking with some scouts, here is WF's analysis of Liufau: "Pro evaluators say they love how Liufau is extremely fast and athletic. They labelled his instincts as good but not great, but he is very violent and can play stacked or rush the quarterback. They state he is a different kind of player with an exceptional skill set. Liufau could be a nice sleeper value pick." #4 - MHJ#35 - Darius Robinson Edge.DE Missouri #44 - Cooper DeJean CB #71 - Sedrick Van Pran-Granger OG/OC Georgia #74 - Maason Smith DT LSU #95 - Roman Wilson WR Michigan #104 - DeWayne Cater DT Duke #109 - Jaylen Wright RB TN -- 7.3 Yds/Carry #131 - Cam Hart CB Notre Dame #162 - Marist Liufau LB Notre Dame 2025 Raiders 1st Rounder which could be top 10 I only did 5 rounds so Monti would still have a couple of picks left - I have to know who else is available at #27 before saying yes to that Raiders' call for a trade. Getting Robinson and DeJean are guesses but would make losing #27's value for a year tolerable. Also, we don't know where the Raiders 1st pick will end up in 2025. We all thought we stole a great pick from the Texans last year. Look how that steal turned out for the Texans and Cardinals. I'd argue the Texans won. The same can happen again with a trade to the Raiders in 2025, but not likely per my math predictions. The Raiders are not close to being competitive. I don't remember all the players however I do know Byron Murphy Jr., DT Johnny Newton (I do remember he went #26) and Chop Robinson were not available. All Cardinals fans need to remember how close Monti was to hit a Grand Slam HR with the trading in the 1st round. The Texans got extremely lucky that Panthers owner Tepper overruled his GM and coaches to select B. Young over Stroud. The coaches/GM wanted to go with Stroud. Cardinal fans need to understand that the Cardinals were almost in the Bears position. After the draft is over, maybe someone can tell me if Fan Duel has odds on whether the Raiders 1st pick in 2025 will be a top 12 selection. This years' draft is loaded on offense while 2025 will be loaded on defense. If the Cards most need position in 2025 is DT or Edge ... with 2 1st rounders they could get high valued talent at those key positiions.
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Post by devongent on Apr 20, 2024 10:04:39 GMT -7
I propose Malik Nabers to the Charges #5.
Three votes required.
Get this one chosen and we can then move onto the Cardinals...
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 20, 2024 11:29:57 GMT -7
I propose Malik Nabers to the Charges #5. Three votes required. Get this one chosen and we can then move onto the Cardinals... I think the new HC in town will go Oline, and I propose Chargers draft Alt.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 20, 2024 11:37:41 GMT -7
I propose Malik Nabers to the Charges #5. Three votes required. Get this one chosen and we can then move onto the Cardinals... OK - I go with Nabers. Charges have X & Z receivers in Johnston and Palmer. They were showing today on NFL matchup that LSU moved Nabers all over the place including slot -- I think Nabers versatility along with separation ability and with a tall QB who can spot him easily ... Chargers go Nabers.
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