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Post by ChasingDaRing on Nov 21, 2022 21:15:46 GMT -7
I can’t be a fan of this organization any more if they don’t make some serious changes. Drives me nuts watching Hard Knocks and seeing what buddies Keim and Bidwill are up in the owners box each week. Bidwill needs to be a boss, not a buddy. don't watch that show. this team is horrible. no need to get to know players and coaches who won't be there long
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Post by Pendy on Nov 21, 2022 21:16:15 GMT -7
fans need to totally 'go on strike'...this is such bs...
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Post by Rimrock on Nov 21, 2022 21:16:57 GMT -7
It was McSorely. I guess he’s not the answer either. Oh sorry.colt...I had quit watching
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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 21, 2022 21:18:22 GMT -7
Kliff "We didn't execute"
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Post by thomas cat on Nov 21, 2022 21:21:34 GMT -7
I can’t be a fan of this organization any more if they don’t make some serious changes. Drives me nuts watching Hard Knocks and seeing what buddies Keim and Bidwill are up in the owners box each week. Bidwill needs to be a boss, not a buddy. I won't go as far as you....meaning I can't be a fan, but you are right....serious changes have to be made. MB needs to realize this is not about friends but who can get the job done.
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Post by vwvectors on Nov 21, 2022 21:25:26 GMT -7
I’ve said it on here ad nauseam this team must make investing in (via the draft) OL/DL a priority. That’s the foundation
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 21, 2022 21:29:52 GMT -7
I’ve said it on here ad nauseam this team must make investing in (via the draft) OL/DL a priority. That’s the foundation Yep. That’s what the Niners did, and now a game manager QB could realistically get them a ring.
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Post by melgray85 on Nov 21, 2022 22:30:34 GMT -7
I’ve said it on here ad nauseam this team must make investing in (via the draft) OL/DL a priority. That’s the foundation What good would that do given this organizations draft record
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 22:55:14 GMT -7
No OL, all struggle. When oldster Hudson waffled, they should have made a move. He and Pugh have old bodies and we’re doomed. There’s so much talk about how the season ended last year when key cogs went to IR and after some of the OL injuries, they weren’t the same when they returned. Keim/Bidwill blew it with the OL this offseason. Then we get the DHop suspension. CB dies. Hamilton burns his feet. Mullen to IR. Prater to IR. Moore to IR. Conner to IR. Williams to IR. Pugh to IR. Hudson barely played. Other OL out. Everything would have to have gone perfectly to have a winning record by the time DHop returned, and it was the opposite. My expectation for the season was at best 9-8.
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Post by vwvectors on Nov 21, 2022 23:27:48 GMT -7
I’ve said it on here ad nauseam this team must make investing in (via the draft) OL/DL a priority. That’s the foundation What good would that do given this organizations draft record We gotta try...or stay the course (on mediocrity)
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Post by melgray85 on Nov 21, 2022 23:45:12 GMT -7
What good would that do given this organizations draft record We gotta try...or stay the course (on mediocrity) Oh yeah that's my point (mediocrity). The draft probably won't matter without changes to try and improve it. That means a new GM and the changes that comes with it.
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Post by End Zone on Nov 22, 2022 3:23:14 GMT -7
No OL, all struggle. When oldster Hudson waffled, they should have made a move. He and Pugh have old bodies and we’re doomed. There’s so much talk about how the season ended last year when key cogs went to IR and after some of the OL injuries, they weren’t the same when they returned. Keim/Bidwill blew it with the OL this offseason. Then we get the DHop suspension. CB dies. Hamilton burns his feet. Mullen to IR. Prater to IR. Moore to IR. Conner to IR. Williams to IR. Pugh to IR. Hudson barely played. Other OL out. Everything would have to have gone perfectly to have a winning record by the time DHop returned, and it was the opposite. My expectation for the season was at best 9-8. OJ, thanks. You get to me my therapist for a few minutes. Good football franchises do not have long lists of problems like this list every damned year. They just don't. I know that pro football players get injured. That is part of the sport. Everybody that lives long enough also gets old and their body breaks down a lot. That is part of life. But, when a franchise suffers repeated massive dysfunctions, the problem is not just the players. The problem is also the management, the people with their hand on the steering wheel making big decisions. There is no other explanation. Management bought, built, and trained this Cardinals team of so-called hard workers, misfits, and wannabes. Nothing will change within the Cardinals franchise if the boss continues forward with the current management group. Bidwill has no choice now. Write off the management group and coaches. Cut some players at a huge loss. Rebuild from the Executive Suite down through the core parts of the roster. Naming guys is not enough to change them. All the bad parts need to go. Maybe some good parts can then grow and get better. This hurts me a lot to say this, but damnit, I'm tired of the Cardinals losing bad and the management's excuses about losing. Just real tired of it all. Sincerely, PutMeIn Fan Since 1967
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Post by cbltv on Nov 22, 2022 7:19:45 GMT -7
Football as a whole is decreasing. Owners and League Management have made horrible decisions over the past 20 years. Now it's coming back to bite them all overall in the posterior.
I predict in 2 years NFL stadiums will be used for other events and not NFL Football.
This is a dying League. What was once a Great Sport is now but a shell. The foundation was allowed to rot.
The Cards had the team to win the SB in 2015. But it was taken away by "misfortune".
The current $230 million QB is not an answer because he won't put in the effort to grow and get better. Another Rich talented player that has achieved His financial stardom. But does not have the Heart to be a Champion. K1 will never take the Cards to a SB.
JosEPh aka cbltv1 Cardinal fan since 1968
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Post by CardsFanQC on Nov 22, 2022 8:02:25 GMT -7
VJ decided no blitzing and let Jimmy G get comfortable -- also M. Sanders who was a star last week only had NINE TOTAL SNAPS in this game. What the heck is going on ?? To be honest right now I want all the draft picks to get a ton of snaps going forward. I want Christian Matthew to get a lot more snaps in replacement of T. Mullen. The T. Mullen trade with the Raiders was a conditional pick based on snaps I believe, so sorry to Mullen but at this point I need to see what the Cards have in 6'2" Matthew.
NOTE: i believe all of these soft tissue injuries are a result of no practices and too much rest for players in training camp, pre-season and during season practices. You get pulled muscles when you don't work those muscles doing football-type moves and then try and get quick-twitch during games ... RESULT: Pulled muscles and back strains.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 10:52:19 GMT -7
No OL, all struggle. When oldster Hudson waffled, they should have made a move. He and Pugh have old bodies and we’re doomed. There’s so much talk about how the season ended last year when key cogs went to IR and after some of the OL injuries, they weren’t the same when they returned. Keim/Bidwill blew it with the OL this offseason. Then we get the DHop suspension. CB dies. Hamilton burns his feet. Mullen to IR. Prater to IR. Moore to IR. Conner to IR. Williams to IR. Pugh to IR. Hudson barely played. Other OL out. Everything would have to have gone perfectly to have a winning record by the time DHop returned, and it was the opposite. My expectation for the season was at best 9-8. OJ, thanks. You get to me my therapist for a few minutes. Good football franchises do not have long lists of problems like this list every damned year. They just don't. I know that pro football players get injured. That is part of the sport. Everybody that lives long enough also gets old and their body breaks down a lot. That is part of life. But, when a franchise suffers repeated massive dysfunctions, the problem is not just the players. The problem is also the management, the people with their hand on the steering wheel making big decisions. There is no other explanation. Management bought, built, and trained this Cardinals team of so-called hard workers, misfits, and wannabes. Nothing will change within the Cardinals franchise if the boss continues forward with the current management group. Bidwill has no choice now. Write off the management group and coaches. Cut some players at a huge loss. Rebuild from the Executive Suite down through the core parts of the roster. Naming guys is not enough to change them. All the bad parts need to go. Maybe some good parts can then grow and get better. This hurts me a lot to say this, but damnit, I'm tired of the Cardinals losing bad and the management's excuses about losing. Just real tired of it all. Sincerely, PutMeIn Fan Since 1967 My guess is that it’s 50-50 on Bidwill replacing Keim and Kingsbury. The only way Keim remains is if Keim went into the season knowing that the OL was a high risk and that the plan was to struggle through and address it in 2023 - and Bidwill agreed. In terms of extending Murray, the high failure rate of 1st Rd QB drafts in the league vs building around Murray probably played a part in that decision, but it appears that they didn’t feel that they could retain him beyond 5 years. I personally would have focused on addressing the OL and told him to wait. Elway is the canonical case of a QB who couldn’t win a SB until they built an OL and a run game. The run game won the Super Bowl. Roethlisberger’s OL declined over the years, so he never got another one. They had drafted high round linemen during those SB runs. At the end, he struggled behind a porous OL. No QB looks good behind a crappy OL. If the QB has legs, he can make lemonade occasionally. We got a taste of what the team would look like for 7 games last year, but picking up FAs at 31-34 years old might give you a 2 year window at best if you’re lucky. Clearly, that’s a gamble. Humphries is now entering the older years. Another good case study is Dan Marino. He never got there and the teams were a roller coaster. Look at his QB rating as well as Elway. You might be surprised based upon the lore. www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm
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