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Post by CardsFanQC on May 23, 2018 7:52:09 GMT -7
During an interview with 98.7 this morning, CP was effusive in his praise about Rosen and actually made this quote; however he said until you have a 260 lb guy running downhill to destroy you and being able to deliver the football that nothing is assured. [NOTE to SK: Build this OL to be first-rate]
He even said that the only 2 QB's coming out who were ready to start right away in the NFL was Darnold and Rosen ... to the surprise of myself and the radio hosts, he actually said Rosen was probably more ready to start immediately in the NFL. CP thinks that Rosen is also the luckiest of the first round QB's to be able to play for the Cards compared to some of the bad teams the other QB's were drafted into.
His praise is interesting since his brother trained Darnold - Allen. Lastly -- don't be surprised in a few years if CP does the TV thing as he wants to stay close in some capacity to football but not coaching "since those guys work way too hard."
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Post by biggs on May 23, 2018 8:45:46 GMT -7
Darnold may well turn out to be the best QB taken in this draft. He isn't close to ready to start. If you look at tape of Darnold and Rosen it's not even close to debatable that Rosen is head and shoulders more NFL ready. That doesn't mean he will be a better NFL QB over his career. I don't find any comfort in CP's comment since he lumped Darnold in with Rosen as ready to start.
If he had said he thinks Darnold and Rosen were the two best QB's in the draft I could buy that. If you just look at tape of all the QB's drafted, Rosen is the only one who actually looks like an NFL QB on tape. I can see why Darnold, Mayfield and Allen were drafted ahead of Rosen. That's all based on projection over their NFL careers. Today Rosen is mechanically more sound than any of the 3.
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Post by CardsFanQC on May 23, 2018 9:06:48 GMT -7
Darnold may well turn out to be the best QB taken in this draft. He isn't close to ready to start. If you look at tape of Darnold and Rosen it's not even close to debatable that Rosen is head and shoulders more NFL ready. That doesn't mean he will be a better NFL QB over his career. I don't find any comfort in CP's comment since he lumped Darnold in with Rosen as ready to start. If he had said he thinks Darnold and Rosen were the two best QB's in the draft I could buy that. If you just look at tape of all the QB's drafted, Rosen is the only one who actually looks like an NFL QB on tape. I can see why Darnold, Mayfield and Allen were drafted ahead of Rosen. That's all based on projection over their NFL careers. Today Rosen is mechanically more sound than any of the 3. My take is he threw in Darnold because his brother trains him and he QB'd CP's alma mater. CP was effusive in praise of Rosen's tape as to accuracy -- anticipation and said "his comeback throws are the best I've ever seen in college"; furthermore CP knocked some of UCLA's talent that Rosen played with stating other than the LT (who was drafted) there was no one else on the offensive side of the ball who really stood out to help JR.
Wolfley again reiterated that coaches/scouts for the Cards are giddy about what they've seen in Rosen.
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Post by biggs on May 23, 2018 9:39:52 GMT -7
STV-It's obvious on tape that Rosen is the most NFL ready guy. He could have been honest and still praised Darnold who many predict will be the best QB in this draft despite the fact that he is extremely raw and young. We should all be giddy about Rosen. All you need to do is look at tape of him. He looks like an NFL QB. He has an elegance to his game that every other prospect lacks. He's throwing mechanics are fantastic. I was amazed that we landed him. I really thought Cleveland would take him at 1. That said, I don't discount Mayfield, Allen or Darnold might all have better careers than Rosen. We simply don't know. What I do know is I'm glad have him. I think he has a great shot to start game 1 and be a top notch NFL QB. That said CP could have said that and said he thinks Darnold will be great. Darnold isn't ready to start and I would bet he doesn't sniff the field for at least several games if at all this year. To me it just means that CP is either dishonest, doesn't know what he's talking about or has an agenda to pump up both a Cardinals player and a USC player who his brother coaches.
If the guy really wants to get into TV and be a commentator do you want a homer or a guy who gives you some real insight and tells it like it is? I don't think Palmer is serving himself well when he isn't honest if his goal is to get into TV.
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Post by Zaz on May 23, 2018 10:19:38 GMT -7
Then you realize that 10 years ago was 2008. What a kick in the ol' beanbag
For some reason my brain just thinks its permanently 2010 so "10 years ago" makes me think of the year 2000. Almost 20 damn years ago. Yiiikes.
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Post by Dry Heat on May 23, 2018 10:21:18 GMT -7
I love that we have the most NFL ready rookie, yet have the luxury of him sitting a while behind perfect mentor Bradford while the offense gets installed and the Oline gels. Rosen does not need the responsibility of installing an offense in August with the risks involved and tweaking sure to be required. Mayfield, Allen and Darnold all risk being rushed in too quickly.
Even if Bradford succumbs to injury, and they feel Rosen or the Oline aren’t quite ready, we have a solid QB2 option before Rosen needs to be thrown in.
Once coaches feel comfortable with Rosen and the Oline, by all means get him playing time. Before then, capitalize on the luxury of not having to.
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Post by pajaro cerebro on May 23, 2018 11:00:20 GMT -7
Yeah, there's no need to throw Rosen in to get killed like Goff did his rookie year when he started the last 7 games of the season (taking nearly 4 sacks and many more hits a game).
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Post by Zaz on May 23, 2018 13:33:43 GMT -7
Yeah, there's no need to throw Rosen in to get killed like Goff did his rookie year when he started the last 7 games of the season (taking nearly 4 sacks and many more hits a game). Well it all depends on the OL. Of course you may not want him in there this year BC he will get killed, but he probably will play given Bradford is guaranteed to get lit up. Point being, next year when Rosen is officially starter will be no different than this year if we dont invest in OL. I would HAATE for Rosens career to be over before it started because of the OL. See: Texans - David Carr. #1 overall pick. Really good QB. Set the record for most sacks in a 3 year span. Absolutely murdered. Couldnt rebound. |
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Post by Dry Heat on May 23, 2018 14:31:05 GMT -7
Yeah, there's no need to throw Rosen in to get killed like Goff did his rookie year when he started the last 7 games of the season (taking nearly 4 sacks and many more hits a game). Well it all depends on the OL. Of course you may not want him in there this year BC he will get killed, but he probably will play given Bradford is guaranteed to get lit up. Point being, next year when Rosen is officially starter will be no different than this year if we dont invest in OL. I would HAATE for Rosens career to be over before it started because of the OL. See: Texans - David Carr. #1 overall pick. Really good QB. Set the record for most sacks in a 3 year span. Absolutely murdered. Couldnt rebound. Absolutely agree we don’t want a David Carr situation, but our Oline while not great is not nearly as bad as Houston’s was. And eventually the Texans put quite a line together, which led to a great run game, but too late for Carr. Our goal has to be to adequately install the offense and make sure Josh is ready to run it, all while getting the Oline to gel and understand assignments. Then add to the Oline as needed. |
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Post by itancanwa on May 23, 2018 14:34:01 GMT -7
I think when all is said and done it's going to come down to Rosen and Mayfield who has the better career. Mayfield put up some ungodly numbers his last 3 years in college. He had a 3 year stretch that NO college QB has come close to.
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Post by Rimrock on May 23, 2018 18:36:25 GMT -7
Well it all depends on the OL. Of course you may not want him in there this year BC he will get killed, but he probably will play given Bradford is guaranteed to get lit up. Point being, next year when Rosen is officially starter will be no different than this year if we dont invest in OL. I would HAATE for Rosens career to be over before it started because of the OL. See: Texans - David Carr. #1 overall pick. Really good QB. Set the record for most sacks in a 3 year span. Absolutely murdered. Couldnt rebound. Absolutely agree we don’t want a David Carr situation, but our Oline while not great is not nearly as bad as Houston’s was. And eventually the Texans put quite a line together, which led to a great run game, but too late for Carr. Our goal has to be to adequately install the offense and make sure Josh is ready to run it, all while getting the Oline to gel and understand assignments. Then add to the Oline as needed. I agree with both of yas.........i don`t want our new shiny QB Kilt because of the horrid Oline we have had for some time now..CP was one tough SOB and even he could not withstand the constant beatings.....Build the line and he can come(and despite that some say and don`t buy for 1 second that the present Oline is ready for primetime..no sir not 1 second) |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 5:06:25 GMT -7
There are no guarantees. That said SK and Wilks have made a solid investment in the rebuilding of the O-line. Last year was last year, this is a new year and a new Team. 2/5'ths of the projected starters are new faces to the Team. Give them at least a chance.
If Rosen can give this team 5-8 years of CP level quality play, then Micheal Bidwill's dream of the Cards in the Promised Land has a much much better chance of happening.
And even Sam Bradford will play longer than most here expect. The 2nd year Option on his contract would give the Cards a solid starting QB if SB stays healthy. And even if SB only plays this year, it would allow Rosen to be more polished when his number finally gets called.
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Post by biggs on May 24, 2018 6:48:27 GMT -7
Both Goff and Wentz benefitted from starting their first year. Both took teams to the playoffs in year 2. If Rosen is going to be an NFL franchise QB he has to process the speed of the game. The way to do that is to play. Rosen of all the QB's drafted was the most NFL ready. He isn't a project. That doesn't mean he doesn't need to be developed.
Sam Bradford has never won, has never been to the playoffs, is known in the league as a soft player and is not the guy you want a franchise QB learning from. Give Rosen the reps.
Now if Shipley is starting at center and the OL is a mess that's a different story. If that's the case it would be criminally negligent to start Sam or Rosen.
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Post by CardsFanQC on May 24, 2018 7:34:57 GMT -7
In looking at the schedule, I think the way this thing will shake out is either:
1) Rosen starts game 3 especially if the Cards get "waxed" at the Rams (game 2) .... my opinion was formed after reading this excerpt from the article link below about Bradford's Cap # and carryover for dead $$ in 2019.
Bradford Contract Details "But why is there only $625k of the potential $5M gameday roster bonuses accounted for in the ‘18 cap? Because teams don’t have to carry the full amount on the cap. They used last years number of games played to project this years gameday roster bonuses. Since Bradford only played 2 games last year, only 2 games worth of gameday roster bonuses need to be applied to this years cap, hence the $625k.
But what happens if he plays more than 2 games? Where does that money get accounted for? The answer is next year. If Bradford plays in 16 games this year, an additional $4.375M will be added to next year’s cap number bringing his ’19 cap to $29.375M. They would be able to release him before next year for a $9.375M dead money cap hit in that case."
2) If Cards get off to a 3-1 start (3 of first 4 games are at home), then Bradford will be given more slack and will (barring injury) be the QB until the AT Kansas City game (1st game after the bye). After game 9 of the season, the Cards need to be AT least 5-4 (maybe even 6-3 or better) or Rosen will start at home vs. Raiders. The team will be looking for the proverbial "shot in the arm" and after the bye there will be a lot of clamoring from the fan base to start Rosen; however the coaching staff won't want his first game to be at Arrowhead stadium so at home the following week vs. Raiders will be his debut.
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Post by biggs on May 24, 2018 7:44:21 GMT -7
In looking at the schedule, I think the way this thing will shake out is either:
1) Rosen starts game 3 especially if the Cards get "waxed" at the Rams (game 2) .... my opinion was formed after reading this excerpt from the article link below about Bradford's Cap # and carryover for dead $$ in 2019.
Bradford Contract Details "But why is there only $625k of the potential $5M gameday roster bonuses accounted for in the ‘18 cap? Because teams don’t have to carry the full amount on the cap. They used last years number of games played to project this years gameday roster bonuses. Since Bradford only played 2 games last year, only 2 games worth of gameday roster bonuses need to be applied to this years cap, hence the $625k.
But what happens if he plays more than 2 games? Where does that money get accounted for? The answer is next year. If Bradford plays in 16 games this year, an additional $4.375M will be added to next year’s cap number bringing his ’19 cap to $29.375M. They would be able to release him before next year for a $9.375M dead money cap hit in that case."
2) If Cards get off to a 3-1 start (3 of first 4 games are at home), then Bradford will be given more slack and will (barring injury) be the QB until the AT Kansas City game (1st game after the bye). After game 9 of the season, the Cards need to be AT least 5-4 (maybe even 6-3 or better) or Rosen will start at home vs. Raiders. The team will be looking for the proverbial "shot in the arm" and after the bye there will be a lot of clamoring from the fan base to start Rosen; however the coaching staff won't want his first game to be at Arrowhead stadium so at home the following week vs. Raiders will be his debut.
This is why he shouldn't have been signed and they should cut him so they don't have any additional dead cap next year above the 5 million he is already on the books for. Addition by subtraction. If Rosen isn't ready start Glennon. |
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