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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Oct 25, 2018 9:43:42 GMT -7
What happened to the good old days when free agents wanted to come here and Keim was killing it on the one year deals? problem is when sk brings in a guy on a 1 yr prove it deal, he lets the guy go the following year if he played well causing the need for more of the same type deals and they do not all work out...he shudda kept swearinger at least. |
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Post by UKcardinal on Oct 25, 2018 10:05:53 GMT -7
While I am not defending SK, there is a dirth of OL talent in this league. IF a decent tackle or guard became available, 75% of the league would be all over it? That's why you have to develop your own talent and DRAFT properly. Most great NFL teams are built on the draft. Keim has blown entire drafts, hence the position we are in. I don't deny that mate and totally agree. But whenever we sign an OL guy off the streets or acquire a guy for a late round pick, people piss and moan. Like I say, there is a dirth of talent at the position and teams aren't willing to let go even good backups because of it. |
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Post by 70'sCardFan on Oct 25, 2018 11:12:35 GMT -7
What happened to the good old days when free agents wanted to come here and Keim was killing it on the one year deals? problem is when sk brings in a guy on a 1 yr prove it deal, he lets the guy go the following year if he played well causing the need for more of the same type deals and they do not all work out...he shudda kept swearinger at least. After watch the Dallas/Washington game, I was thinking the same thing about Swearinger. He played pretty good in the game. He would be better than any of the LBs we have now. |
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Post by UKcardinal on Oct 25, 2018 12:26:23 GMT -7
problem is when sk brings in a guy on a 1 yr prove it deal, he lets the guy go the following year if he played well causing the need for more of the same type deals and they do not all work out...he shudda kept swearinger at least. After watch the Dallas/Washington game, I was thinking the same thing about Swearinger. He played pretty good in the game. He would be better than any of the LBs we have now. Pity he plays safety isn't it? |
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Post by 70'sCardFan on Oct 25, 2018 17:57:20 GMT -7
Yes it is, but for some reason I thought he played LB for us.
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Post by knobby on Oct 25, 2018 22:02:40 GMT -7
Yes it is, but for some reason I thought he played LB for us.
No matter. The point remains that the "prove it" one year contracts are not used to KEEP someone who proves to be what we wanted or needed, whatever the position.
Swearinger is but one example. He earned more money after leaving, like (all?) the others who have been here and gone elsewhere after showing what they could do. Good for him.
IMO, the thinking is that there is an unlimited supply of such players who can do great things for a piddley contract amount, so find 'em, use 'em one year, and let them go. If that is so, then there is no intent to improve the overall team and our won/lost record, only to skate by and appear to be helping, and all the rah-rah talk is BS to impress - who?
Admittedly it saves money, but the counterpoint to that is needless money is spent on contract renewals BEFORE they need to be renewed, which erases the gain in being frugal. So, why the reluctance to keep a gem found with a prove it deal? To enhance the reputation of he who is responsible for hiring the temporary player? I can't believe a coach would be happy losing a player who made his job easier and record better - if he were allowed to have any input.
In some cases the player who left was filling a position that had been a liability previously and is difficult to fill - opposite PP for example. Yet the same thing happens year after year with no apparent concern by management. What's wrong with this picture? In any other business this would never be tolerated because it insures instability and ultimate cost.
It seems pointless and short sighted. Can anyone offer a good reason to support the practice of in and out one year prove it deals and not keeping a "keeper"?
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Post by UKcardinal on Oct 26, 2018 2:07:54 GMT -7
Yes it is, but for some reason I thought he played LB for us. Apologies for my flippant comment. I agree with the general point though, Keim has failed to secure our own talent, the talent which we drafted and developed ourselves. Campbell was a leader in the locker room, left to walk. TJ was another leader, left to walk. Mathieu was a leader, given a silly contract, cut. To compound those issues we have missed on so many first rounders the lack of talent will come back round to bite you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 6:03:55 GMT -7
Yes it is, but for some reason I thought he played LB for us. Apologies for my flippant comment. I agree with the general point though, Keim has failed to secure our own talent, the talent which we drafted and developed ourselves. Campbell was a leader in the locker room, left to walk. TJ was another leader, left to walk. Mathieu was a leader, given a silly contract, cut. To compound those issues we have missed on so many first rounders the lack of talent will come back round to bite you. Has everyone forgotten that it's taken 5 seasons to get out of the mess that Graves left the Cap Space contract situation in? That this burden (bad cap space) caused many of these 1 yr prove it's to move on cause we could not as team match other teams' offers to players like Swearinger and Tony Jefferson. The FO finally has Cap space to use, Finally! Yet now, because of the 4th of July incident, it's all a wash? C'mon guys, really?! And some are complaining about O-line draft picks not happening. Yet the New Staff cut 2 of them at the End of PS and brought in 2 unknowns! A huge UDFA T at 6'6" 330 lbs who Can Not make the field! And a journeyman at best Guard who got hurt his 1st game he's brought in! smh! Our 2 cut draft picks both had in-game experience from the last 2 years, Starting experience. Yet the Coaching cuts them for, again, relative unknowns! Right when the season starts no less! That's Not a drafting problem, that's a coaching problem from Rookie HC on down involvong player evaluations. Not a FO drafting problem. Look at the root causes, not just the symptoms. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 26, 2018 7:55:22 GMT -7
Apologies for my flippant comment. I agree with the general point though, Keim has failed to secure our own talent, the talent which we drafted and developed ourselves. Campbell was a leader in the locker room, left to walk. TJ was another leader, left to walk. Mathieu was a leader, given a silly contract, cut. To compound those issues we have missed on so many first rounders the lack of talent will come back round to bite you. Has everyone forgotten that it's taken 5 seasons to get out of the mess that Graves left the Cap Space contract situation in? That this burden (bad cap space) caused many of these 1 yr prove it's to move on cause we could not as team match other teams' offers to players like Swearinger and Tony Jefferson. The FO finally has Cap space to use, Finally! Yet now, because of the 4th of July incident, it's all a wash? C'mon guys, really?! And some are complaining about O-line draft picks not happening. Yet the New Staff cut 2 of them at the End of PS and brought in 2 unknowns! A huge UDFA T at 6'6" 330 lbs who Can Not make the field! And a journeyman at best Guard who got hurt his 1st game he's brought in! smh! Our 2 cut draft picks both had in-game experience from the last 2 years, Starting experience. Yet the Coaching cuts them for, again, relative unknowns! Right when the season starts no less! That's Not a drafting problem, that's a coaching problem from Rookie HC on down involvong player evaluations. Not a FO drafting problem. Look at the root causes, not just the symptoms. McCoy was trying to use a zone-blocking schemes and now Leftwich is going to change to what DJ does best with the OL getting downhill So much of the dysfunction is now that we are going to renew the more downhill blocking style (which played into the strengths of 2 guys who were cut) is we are turning over the roster both offensively and defensively into schemes which don't work well with the skills of the roster. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Oct 26, 2018 8:23:09 GMT -7
in other words sk/wilks/McCoy trying to use their schemes on roster suited to other schemes resulted in this total clusterf$&# that is/was mb/sk/wilks/mccoys screw ups...
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Post by ThrowItToFITZ on Oct 26, 2018 8:57:30 GMT -7
Think about how SK cut Tyrann Mathieu only to give 20 million to Sam Bradford.
Honey Badger having a really impactful season for Houston smh.
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Post by beaverhuntr on Oct 26, 2018 9:22:57 GMT -7
Keim needs to go but he has such a long history with the organization that Bidwill will keep giving him more chances..
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Post by End Zone on Oct 26, 2018 9:32:18 GMT -7
lol you guys gonna give put a stroke. No way! OHB is spot on. He's all over SK. SS, what Cheavy Chase movie was that? About early 90s? |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 26, 2018 9:42:27 GMT -7
Apologies for my flippant comment. I agree with the general point though, Keim has failed to secure our own talent, the talent which we drafted and developed ourselves. Campbell was a leader in the locker room, left to walk. TJ was another leader, left to walk. Mathieu was a leader, given a silly contract, cut. To compound those issues we have missed on so many first rounders the lack of talent will come back round to bite you. Has everyone forgotten that it's taken 5 seasons to get out of the mess that Graves left the Cap Space contract situation in? That this burden (bad cap space) caused many of these 1 yr prove it's to move on cause we could not as team match other teams' offers to players like Swearinger and Tony Jefferson. The FO finally has Cap space to use, Finally! Yet now, because of the 4th of July incident, it's all a wash? C'mon guys, really?! And some are complaining about O-line draft picks not happening. Yet the New Staff cut 2 of them at the End of PS and brought in 2 unknowns! A huge UDFA T at 6'6" 330 lbs who Can Not make the field! And a journeyman at best Guard who got hurt his 1st game he's brought in! smh! Our 2 cut draft picks both had in-game experience from the last 2 years, Starting experience. Yet the Coaching cuts them for, again, relative unknowns! Right when the season starts no less! That's Not a drafting problem, that's a coaching problem from Rookie HC on down involvong player evaluations. Not a FO drafting problem. Look at the root causes, not just the symptoms. Has to be senior management. Both MB and SK. MB won't fire himself. |
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Oct 26, 2018 10:08:58 GMT -7
lol you guys gonna give put a stroke. No way! OHB is spot on. He's all over SK. SS, what Cheavy Chase movie was that? About early 90s? National Lampoon's Vacation, 1983. |
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