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Post by onanygivensunda on Oct 4, 2018 8:27:29 GMT -7
Did you know that a coin toss is not random? It factually has a higher percentage likelyhood of landing on heads because the way the coin is minted, the heads side is heavier. I'm no physicist, but if true, wouldn't the heavier side end up on the bottom? lol |
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Oct 4, 2018 9:07:51 GMT -7
The whole premise of this thread is likely flawed. What are the chances that there aren't several consultants brought in every year? The Cardinals are worth nearly a billion dollars... I'm quiet certain that they bring in tons of consultants from varied backgrounds. As much as people talk crap about Micheal Bidwell, under his leadership the Cardinals franchise has been transformed from the laughing stock of the NFL to a team with actual fans, and positive coverage sometimes. I'd assume that he gets all the help he can. He's constantly upgrading the facilities, and if the coaches or GM make a suggestion he's receptive. Arians said he wanted to hire more coaches and he listened. He was told that they need better training facilities for summer camp, he listened. Someone decided that the Cardinals needed to improve their brand and magically a TV show called "All or Nothing" was created. This stuff ain't accidentally happening you guys. Bidwell clearly is actually trying to improve the franchise and therefore how would he not be using consultants? I don't talk crap about (sic) Micheal Bidwell, I even know his real name. Without him taking over we wouldn't even be typing here. If I were to talk crap, and I'd put this in the constructive criticism part that all of us have gotten during out lives, but I think he might be a bit too loyal to people who let him down or aren't up to the task. He would be just like millions upon millions of other people in that regard. Thank goodness Michael hates to lose. |
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Post by Zaz on Oct 4, 2018 10:54:06 GMT -7
Did you know that a coin toss is not random? It factually has a higher percentage likelyhood of landing on heads because the way the coin is minted, the heads side is heavier. I'm no physicist, but if true, wouldn't the heavier side end up on the bottom? lol Yeah I probably have it mixed up, but the whichever it is is still true. One side has a significantly higher advantage due to the mint of the coin |
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Post by TMoney on Oct 4, 2018 11:21:57 GMT -7
I'm no physicist, but if true, wouldn't the heavier side end up on the bottom? lol Yeah I probably have it mixed up, but the whichever it is is still true. One side has a significantly higher advantage due to the mint of the coin I'm not sure where this information is coming from... A quick Google search reveals that it's 51:49 that whatever side of a coin starts up will land up. At least that's what academics are claiming... Lets put it in another way, with 16 games a season, if you always called the side of the coin facing up before the coin flip starting every game, you'd get to decide who gets the ball twice more every 6.25 years than if you always called the side of the coin facing down. I'm not sure I'd call this significant, especially considering scientist usually call at least a 5% difference significant... |
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Post by knobby on Oct 4, 2018 11:44:14 GMT -7
One more thought about the Cardinals' management team: There is a corporate structure but no corporation per se. The Cardinals franchise is family owned business. When family is involved a business, no matter how big or small the business, there is usually an accommodation for the lesser talented family members. Family accommodations CAN subtract from an ideal corporate process -- to maximize the bottom line (aka accrue wins). I tried to check since that was a big surprise, if only for legal protection. Here's one thing I found online (which may or may not be accurate):
So, if that is correct then you are as well. They have avoided true corporate structure (legally) in favor of retaining company status while gaining protections in liability via LLC.
Sort of a corporation in stealth mode ?
Thanks for that gem of information. I will still use the term corporation though, as that is a common and generally understood large entity description.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 4, 2018 16:32:05 GMT -7
One last note on this subject...check the Green Bay Packers business model. That is a true non-profit an publically owned corporation since 1923. The company sells stock to raise capital, pays dividends, board of directors, etc. GB is a one of a kind franchise.
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Post by knobby on Oct 4, 2018 17:14:00 GMT -7
One last note on this subject...check the Green Bay Packers business model. The is a true corporation. The company sells stock to raise capital. A one of a kind franchise. Most of which stock is essentially worthless. Public stockholders in a non-profit corporation but loyal to "their" team. True cheeseheads? I like those people. They're happy!
They like football, beer and brats - not necessarily in that order.
Some call it a scam, but hey, if it works and the buyers like it, who is to say it's bad? I'd call the stock certificates "Packers Donation Receipts"... not much different than a ticket stub in value but a lot more impressive when framed and hung on the wall. 
Crazy Americans.
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Post by vwvectors on Oct 4, 2018 17:44:54 GMT -7
The Jags started doing better when they hired Tom Coughlin. He has reorganized & reenergized their front office. We could definitely use something like that to make the most of the 2019 draft.
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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 4, 2018 17:51:20 GMT -7
Well if there is one person I would replace in the organization and I don't give him credit for the work people below him doing if anything even when we are good we are still cursed and see a lot of talent go out the door costing chances at the Super Bowl. It was easier to attract talent because of the public paid for a stadium.
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Post by CardCore on Oct 5, 2018 7:46:07 GMT -7
The Jags started doing better when they hired Tom Coughlin. He has reorganized & reenergized their front office. We could definitely use something like that to make the most of the 2019 draft. That's an interesting example. Coughlin is number 3 in the chain of command, below the owner and the president, but above GM David Caldwell. His title is "executive vice president of football operations". They are all referred to as "executives". Steve Keim is the number 3 listed guy below B. Bidwill and Michael. They are all referred to as "administration". Just below Keim is the "Executive vice president/Chief operating officer". His name is Ron Minegar. Here is his biography: www.azcardinals.com/team/front-office-roster/ron-minegar Interestingly, after the category "administration" for the Cardinals, comes "football operations", and the guy at the top of that list is Terry McDonough, vice president of player personnel. In the Jags hierarchy, their "director of player personnel" is at the top of the "scouting" branch, and his name is Chris Polian. Yep. The son of Bill. All that just high lights how differently teams are arranged and managed, and I'm not saying one is better than another, but there is a good chance one way IS better than another, and the biggest difference is likely WHO is at those positions. |
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