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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 31, 2020 6:26:44 GMT -7
Okay; I'm putting a marker down on a fourth option at Cornerback. www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2020/10/jaycee-horn/Jaycee Horn. - I think he has a lot of promise and that he could be a genuine contender as a late first round pick (on the assumption that the top-named three are no-longer available). After the 1st tier guys -- I do like Jaycee Horn and 6'2" Tyson Campbell, Georgia who in High School won the Florida 100 and 200 meter dash. (Campbell also started as a true freshman and now is in his 3rd season with Georgia and is coming off shutting down Seth Williams of Auburn).
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Post by End Zone on Oct 31, 2020 7:27:35 GMT -7
Okay; I'm putting a marker down on a fourth option at Cornerback. www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2020/10/jaycee-horn/Jaycee Horn. - I think he has a lot of promise and that he could be a genuine contender as a late first round pick (on the assumption that the top-named three are no-longer available). After the 1st tier guys -- I do like Jaycee Horn and 6'2" Tyson Campbell, Georgia who in High School won the Florida 100 and 200 meter dash. (Campbell also started as a true freshman and now is in his 3rd season with Georgia and is coming off shutting down Seth Williams of Auburn). Horn is liked at Florida HS and now University of Georgia. I noted that Georgia sports writers have a lot more to say about Horn's HS career than his NCAA career. In fact, about three times as much is written. I don't have any idea what that means. And I'm sure the sports page beefing up can occur if I wanted it to happen. For certain, Horn was a man among Florida's HS kids. Nowadays at UofG, every jock is a hairy BMOC. What happens to Horn at the pro level if drafted or he squeaks in as UFDA? Does he even make a Practice Squad somewhere? 6'2" 185lb guys are lightweights in several physical categories at the pro level. Speed is nice but not everything.
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Post by devongent on Oct 31, 2020 9:34:44 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Oct 31, 2020 9:51:21 GMT -7
I do like Jaycee Horn and 6'2" Tyson Campbell I've not had a proper look at Tyson Campbell yet although I have noted his name increasingly coming forward. Thanks for highlighting him stv; if he is true 'First Round class' then that it is great news - This would (potentially) give us five realistic options to consider should indeed the FO be prioritizing Cornerback as the top need position in the draft (evidently not a given).
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 1, 2020 6:59:05 GMT -7
Not sure if most you know but Jaylen Waddle got hurt a week or two ago and is out of the season with a bad ankle injury. Given he was projected top 15 pick, has DK Metcalf speed but is even quicker/better hands, I hope we end up going with him given there won't be a top CB on the board at end of first round.
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Post by devongent on Nov 1, 2020 8:22:29 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Nov 1, 2020 8:48:53 GMT -7
I hope we end up going with him given there won't be a top CB on the board at end of first round. Latest Mock draft by Sikkema, below, has us taking Jaylen Waddle with the 26th pick. - You may well get your wish ryashlee. He lists five Cornerbacks in his top 32, which interestingly are the exact same 'famous five' as recently speculated within this thread. In Sikkema's opinion only Tyson Campbell would still be available to us out of these CB's (He goes to the Packers #31). thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-trevor-sikkema-2.1
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 1, 2020 10:56:38 GMT -7
I hope we end up going with him given there won't be a top CB on the board at end of first round. Latest Mock draft by Sikkema, below, has us taking Jaylen Waddle with the 26th pick. - You may well get your wish ryashlee. He lists five Cornerbacks in his top 32, which interestingly are the exact same 'famous five' as recently speculated within this thread. In Sikkema's opinion only Tyson Campbell would still be available to us out of these CB's (He goes to the Packers #31). thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-trevor-sikkema-2.1 There's a CB from Florida State I see us nabbing in round 2. He's going to be a nickle guy, but he's got great pedigree. So for me, it's Rd 1 - Waddle Rd 2 - Asante Samuel, Junior This all assumes we don't swing a trade for Pats CB, which is really my dream. I said last week, we could deal a pick plus Murphy for Gilmore. I think we'd have to trade our 2nd plus Murphy, but if Waddle/Gilmore is our haul, I don't see anyone on the board complaining. If you do a deep dive into Bama's coaching notes, Waddle is interesting. He's clocked with the same deep speed as Henry Ruggs, in the 4.2's, but the coaches note he is so different from all their other guys. Which is why ankle injury scares me. Waddle wasn't a 'long-speed guy', and he wasn't an explosive leaper. He's noted as being the 'twitch-iest' WR they've had in a decade, the stop on a dime, burst kind of kid. That's basically the perfect WR for Air Raid. It's like crossing Amendola with McCaffrey. I'm almost never in favor if a high pick for a WR, absent a kid like Calvin Johnson/Fitz. But Waddle, I liked more than any of the kids coming out from last year, because he was such a good fit for us, before his injury. The only negative I have is his height, and that's only because Murray clearly has height issues in terms of locating shorter guys. I'm going to laugh when someone like KC takes him and the kid fully recovers. You add Waddle to the weapons Mahomes already has, and there isn't anyone in the league that can stop that team. Anyone see what Tua's little brother is doing? He is lighting up other teams....
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Post by devongent on Nov 1, 2020 11:55:04 GMT -7
This all assumes we don't swing a trade for Pats CB, which is really my dream. We haven't got long to wait to find out... Rd 1 - Waddle Rd 2 - Asante Samuel, Junior I agree that there are still some decent options at Cornerback in Round 2. - I know from before that you like Asante Samuel and I would say that there is a decent chance that he will be available towards the end of the second round. As a matter of interest would you consider any other WR (than Waddle) in Round 1 ? (Ja'Marr Chase apart, which, of course, isn't going to happen). The only negative I have is his height, and that's only because Murray clearly has height issues in terms of locating shorter guys. IF we did take a WR in Round 1 (not that this is my main choice option) then (as I have posted before) I am tempted by Rashod Bateman. - I believe that Rashod would present an 'easy throw to target' for Kyler although I understand that he lacks electric speed. Its a case of considering one skill set against another. Should the prospect have absolutely everything then he won't be lasting to pick #26 !
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 1, 2020 12:19:24 GMT -7
Rd 1 - Waddle Rd 2 - Asante Samuel, Junior I agree that there are still some decent options at Cornerback in Round 2. - I know from before that you like Asante Samuel and I would say that there is a decent chance that he will be available towards the end of the second round. As a matter of interest would you consider any other WR (than Waddle) in Round 1 ? (Ja'Marr Chase apart, which, of course, isn't going to happen). FloridaCardFan posted an updated trade article that said Evan Engram could be in play. If we signed him at TE, we don't need another WR next year.
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Post by devongent on Nov 1, 2020 12:41:10 GMT -7
FloridaCardFan posted an updated trade article that said Evan Engram could be in play. If we signed him at TE, we don't need another WR next year. Agreed. Same calculation in my own mind should we trade for David Njoku.
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Post by belac44 on Nov 1, 2020 13:30:42 GMT -7
I agree that there are still some decent options at Cornerback in Round 2. - I know from before that you like Asante Samuel and I would say that there is a decent chance that he will be available towards the end of the second round. As a matter of interest would you consider any other WR (than Waddle) in Round 1 ? (Ja'Marr Chase apart, which, of course, isn't going to happen). FloridaCardFan posted an updated trade article that said Evan Engram could be in play. If we signed him at TE, we don't need another WR next year. Ive said since he was in college entering the draft Engram would take on Fitz role perfectly, I still think that remains true.
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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 4, 2020 21:05:46 GMT -7
PFF's most recent mock has us with Etienne.
"Kyler Murray in the same backfield as Travis Etienne sounds like a migraine for opposing defensive coordinators. There are not many teams where running backs can bring incremental value, but with Murray as a rushing threat, the amount of speed the Cardinals could put on the field is scary."
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Post by devongent on Nov 5, 2020 1:07:55 GMT -7
PFF's most recent mock has us with Etienne. "Kyler Murray in the same backfield as Travis Etienne sounds like a migraine for opposing defensive coordinators. There are not many teams where running backs can bring incremental value, but with Murray as a rushing threat, the amount of speed the Cardinals could put on the field is scary." With Etienne on board he may not bring us a SB, but he would make us the 'best watch' team in the NFL. I did post back-a-long; he is a joy to watch.
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Post by flash on Nov 5, 2020 9:31:02 GMT -7
This thread was started quite some time ago....I just looked at it today because I thought it was a little bit to early to think about next years draft...
I did not read the entire thread but bits and pieces....let me start off with the first couple of pages of the thread....
It is mentioned that we should consider drafting Oline with our first round pick....I totally disagree...here is a quote from NFL.com...
I think our Oline is good enough that we do not need to draft Oline with our first round pick...I see how many posting on this thread know many of the college players...that is great and I will leave that up to you guys to inform the rest of us that have no clue about what players will be good or which ones we should consider for the 2021 draft...
I will just mention positions that I think we should take and in what round and my reasons as to why...here goes...
My choice is for us to take a CB with our first round pick..there are two scenarios...
1. PP ends up staying with us for one more season...if that happens...we need to draft a CB in the first round that can step in immediately and play as our #2 CB next season...we need a CB that is good enough to play the #2 Corner spot and gain experience so that when PP is gone...that player can step in and take over as our #1 Corner...is that possible since we will more than likely draft in the mid to late first round? Of course it is...let's look at the Safety position...Budda was drafted in the second round, Mathieu was drafted in the 3rd round...why would we not be able to find as good a CB in the mid to late first round...our scouts would just have to do an amazing job...even if we can't find a CB as good as PP, Baker or Mathieu in the first round, then perhaps we can draft to very good CB's in the first and second round that can become a tandem for years to come...
2. PP ends up not being here next season...if that is the case...I still think we should draft a CB with our first round pick and then in FA...pick up a CB that still has a year or two left in the tank...and one that does not cost us what Ramsey or Norman cost their current teams...by going FA to replace PP temporarily and drafting a CB to play our #2 Corner position...that gives us time to find our permanent #1 and #2 Corners by 2022 draft.. I want us to end up with two young CB's that can be the mainstay of our Secondary for years to come...
I am going to say that PP has to have been the best CB we have had since 1997....or maybe Aeneas Williams...I am sure that is very debatable...I won't argue that PP is better than what Aeneas was..but I would say it is pretty close...you decide
Here is a quote from Wikipedia:
Oh, might I add that we drafted Aeneas in the 3rd round...
I am sure that some of you are thinking that we can find a replacement Corner to replace PP or to eventually replace him without having to draft a CB in the first round...my opinion on that? I think we increase our chances to find that next Aeneas, Budda or Mathieu by drafting a Corner with our first pick next year...
Anyways, my next position choice for our next 2 rounds is as follows....
Round 2 DE to eventually replace Chandler
Round 3 WR to replace Fitz...seeing that we have DeAndre...he is actually the replacement for Fitz...but we need that WR that can be what Metcalf is to the Seahawks...Metcalf/Lockett tandem...In my opinion...I really like Kirk...but it just seems he tends to keep getting injured and can't play a whole season....oh...and yes..unless Isabella turns it around very soon here...he needs to be released...or traded next season...I was a little disappointed that we let Butler go...he is now on the practice squad as a TE for the Eagles...(I would have like to see what he could have done in real game time...but he never got the chance)....I would also be happy if we can just find our #3 WR with our third round pick...get rid of Isabella and KeeSean...and give us a Hopkins/Kirk/WR Draftee that will gives us a WR Corp like when we had Fitz/Boldin/Breaston.
I won't go any further in the rounds...to complicated for me...ha ha ha..
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