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Post by Rosen's_Jacuuzi on Aug 23, 2018 15:26:19 GMT -7
How do you know he's an addict? he got caught drinking and driving (twice in 20 years). Does that make him an addict?
Josh Gordon sure sounds like an addict. Multiple suspensions, cant stay off drugs.
To compare the two is asinine and reflects poorly on you.
Adults who drink to that level of inebriation who don't show signs of it are classic functional alcoholics. It's a drug addiction no different than any other drug addiction. To not compare alcoholism to drug addiction is a classic denial syndrome. Biggs owns a marijuana dispensary and has an agenda against alcohol. Needs to exact revenge for the "reefer madness" propaganda |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 16:21:14 GMT -7
Let's play Pin the Tail on the Donkey with all these labels. woohoo! :/
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Post by End Zone on Aug 23, 2018 17:50:44 GMT -7
CJ, The former thread was mostly about SK's suspension, Rx, and potential team effects. When the suspension and Rx ended this week, so did the core argument for that thread. Thus, I pulled the plug (locked it). The thread can be unlocked by a Mod if the GM violates the Rx agreement, etc. This new thread discusses GM behaviors "on the job" again. Enjoy the the new thread. I trust that this note helps everyone better understand Forum oversight. Ask me about the business side at any time. Regards, Putmein Quick question. If SK makes a player decision that appears to be impacted by drugs or alcohol, what thread do we post in? Recommend post your thoughts about GM player decisions here, my friend. The "other stuff," post at non-football topics. |
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Post by In the Cards on Aug 23, 2018 19:21:56 GMT -7
If Keim stayed at home after the huge presser and appearance with the team, what would that say? I think the players would be perplexed and wonder why. He already served his suspension and his mandatory minimum counseling I presume. It would send mixed messages that I don't think many people would understand. All it would accomplish is more confusion, irritation, and counter-productivity.
For the hypothetical that was posed about questioning Keim's judgement if any of his draft picks/other decisions don't work out because he was drinking, I won't be participating in that discussion. Feel free to share your speculation, but don't expect anyone to take your seriously, unless you had some concrete proof. MB is going to watch SK like a hawk. Any hints of him being buzzed or hung over on the job would be easily noticeable at this point.
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Post by aris on Aug 23, 2018 20:08:43 GMT -7
How do you know he's an addict? he got caught drinking and driving (twice in 20 years). Does that make him an addict?
Josh Gordon sure sounds like an addict. Multiple suspensions, cant stay off drugs.
To compare the two is asinine and reflects poorly on you.
Adults who drink to that level of inebriation who don't show signs of it are classic functional alcoholics. It's a drug addiction no different than any other drug addiction. To not compare alcoholism to drug addiction is a classic denial syndrome. It not about alcohol vs. drugs here although alcohol is a drug. It's just that Josh Gordon has repeatedly violated the NFL rules on drugs and has hardly played in three years. SK on the other hand could have had a very very bad day or big argument with the wife and made a BIG mistake. You're speculation is unwarranted and without merit. |
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Post by biggs on Aug 24, 2018 7:09:28 GMT -7
Adults who drink to that level of inebriation who don't show signs of it are classic functional alcoholics. It's a drug addiction no different than any other drug addiction. To not compare alcoholism to drug addiction is a classic denial syndrome. It not about alcohol vs. drugs here although alcohol is a drug. It's just that Josh Gordon has repeatedly violated the NFL rules on drugs and has hardly played in three years. SK on the other hand could have had a very very bad day or big argument with the wife and made a BIG mistake. You're speculation is unwarranted and without merit. I don't care if either one of them take drugs. I also know people drive after diner with a beer or a glass of wine in their system. SK was driving stoned cold drunk. Josh Gordon pleaded out to a DWI in 2015 when he was 20. SK isn't randomly tested for drugs and alcohol. Gordon is. While both are punished under the NFL code of conduct, SK will never be randomly tested while Gordon will be for the rest of his NFL playing career. If Gordon want's to smoke pot and not play NFL football that's okay with me. SK driving stone cold drunk in my hood isn't. Why do you care if Josh Gordon test positive under NFL rules for drugs? I care if he commits a felony that endangers the community. Now that SK has violated the NFL code of conduct, lets test him randomly while he's under contract so he's under the same scrutiny as the players. |
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Aug 24, 2018 8:52:36 GMT -7
It not about alcohol vs. drugs here although alcohol is a drug. It's just that Josh Gordon has repeatedly violated the NFL rules on drugs and has hardly played in three years. SK on the other hand could have had a very very bad day or big argument with the wife and made a BIG mistake. You're speculation is unwarranted and without merit. I don't care if either one of them take drugs. I also know people drive after diner with a beer or a glass of wine in their system. SK was driving stoned cold drunk. Josh Gordon pleaded out to a DWI in 2015 when he was 20. SK isn't randomly tested for drugs and alcohol. Gordon is. While both are punished under the NFL code of conduct, SK will never be randomly tested while Gordon will be for the rest of his NFL playing career. If Gordon want's to smoke pot and not play NFL football that's okay with me. SK driving stone cold drunk in my hood isn't. Why do you care if Josh Gordon test positive under NFL rules for drugs? I care if he commits a felony that endangers the community. Now that SK has violated the NFL code of conduct, lets test him randomly while he's under contract so he's under the same scrutiny as the players. Under the new cba, marijuana will be excluded from the drug screening. IMHO |
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Post by biggs on Aug 24, 2018 9:14:41 GMT -7
I don't care if either one of them take drugs. I also know people drive after diner with a beer or a glass of wine in their system. SK was driving stoned cold drunk. Josh Gordon pleaded out to a DWI in 2015 when he was 20. SK isn't randomly tested for drugs and alcohol. Gordon is. While both are punished under the NFL code of conduct, SK will never be randomly tested while Gordon will be for the rest of his NFL playing career. If Gordon want's to smoke pot and not play NFL football that's okay with me. SK driving stone cold drunk in my hood isn't. Why do you care if Josh Gordon test positive under NFL rules for drugs? I care if he commits a felony that endangers the community. Now that SK has violated the NFL code of conduct, lets test him randomly while he's under contract so he's under the same scrutiny as the players. Under the new cba, marijuana will be excluded from the drug screening. IMHO It should be. If it actually helps with pain management, it's much less toxic and less adictive than any prescribed pain medication. |
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Post by In the Cards on Aug 24, 2018 11:34:42 GMT -7
Under the new cba, marijuana will be excluded from the drug screening. IMHO It should be. If it actually helps with pain management, it's much less toxic and less adictive than any prescribed pain medication. Heck, teams should be able to pay their athletes in weed to lower the salary cap hit lol. |
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Post by biggs on Aug 24, 2018 11:52:26 GMT -7
Adults who drink to that level of inebriation who don't show signs of it are classic functional alcoholics. It's a drug addiction no different than any other drug addiction. To not compare alcoholism to drug addiction is a classic denial syndrome. Biggs owns a marijuana dispensary and has an agenda against alcohol. Needs to exact revenge for the "reefer madness" propaganda Friends tell me that marijuana, alcohol and gelato along with an Uber app go well together. |
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Post by aris on Aug 24, 2018 14:11:20 GMT -7
It not about alcohol vs. drugs here although alcohol is a drug. It's just that Josh Gordon has repeatedly violated the NFL rules on drugs and has hardly played in three years. SK on the other hand could have had a very very bad day or big argument with the wife and made a BIG mistake. You're speculation is unwarranted and without merit. I don't care if either one of them take drugs. I also know people drive after diner with a beer or a glass of wine in their system. SK was driving stoned cold drunk. Josh Gordon pleaded out to a DWI in 2015 when he was 20. SK isn't randomly tested for drugs and alcohol. Gordon is. While both are punished under the NFL code of conduct, SK will never be randomly tested while Gordon will be for the rest of his NFL playing career. If Gordon want's to smoke pot and not play NFL football that's okay with me. SK driving stone cold drunk in my hood isn't. Why do you care if Josh Gordon test positive under NFL rules for drugs? I care if he commits a felony that endangers the community. Now that SK has violated the NFL code of conduct, lets test him randomly while he's under contract so he's under the same scrutiny as the players. Now you're changing the narrative and spinning, which is your specialty. You're claiming SK is an addict. I'm saying you have absolutely no evidence of that outside of him driving "stone cold drunk". One time in the past twenty years. I agree if you've done it once you've probably done it a few times. But in no way does that qualify as a diagnosis of an addict. I personally dont care if Josh Gordon tests positive. but the fact that he does repeatedly with the threat of loss of livelihood is pretty significant. And you say "smoking pot" eh? This is from Gordon himself: ""I've used alcohol on many, many occasions, Xanax on many occasions, cocaine several occasions, marijuana most of my life, codeine, cough syrup, methazine is very prevalent where I'm from,'' Gordon admit. "It's what I grew up using.'' He's gone to rehab multiple times. He's an admitted addict. Sk? perhaps but you're in no position of expertise to make that qualification. |
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Post by Cardinals Junkie on Aug 24, 2018 15:04:41 GMT -7
You kids sure do like to argue about nonsense.
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Post by End Zone on Aug 24, 2018 17:52:30 GMT -7
You kids sure do like to argue about nonsense. If If If If If If If If....and so on....agree, nonsense. |
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Post by In the Cards on Aug 24, 2018 19:39:05 GMT -7
The discussion has devolved into something reminiscent of the Daryl Washington saga. No one knows exactly what happened but everyone sure has an opinion about it.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Aug 25, 2018 9:46:12 GMT -7
SK is on a very short chain. The chain is connected to a rope that will hang SK if he drinks and drives again. If there is any type of problem that is somehow associated with alcohol, it will be problematic for Mr. Keim.
That being said, I wish him only the best. And hope that with his eye for possible Keim time players, that he has continued success in this regard.. GO CARDS!
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