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Post by 70'sCardFan on Oct 3, 2024 11:29:21 GMT -7
Woo Hoo! Whether it'll be good or bad, I finally get to see a Cards game being broadcast in my area here in Mo.  |
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Oct 3, 2024 15:56:40 GMT -7
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Post by End Zone on Oct 3, 2024 21:10:55 GMT -7
I'm not okay with Garrett's injury. Groin injuries are nasty and don't go away with 2 Tylenol tablets. He's one of the hardest working guys on D. Maybe working too hard for his body type. Is this the beginning of the end for our recordbreaking Kicker? I hope not. Prater's knee issue is a huge concern and I'm glad to see MO sign a b/u Kicker to the PS this week. |
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Post by cbltv on Oct 4, 2024 6:40:13 GMT -7
Woo Hoo! Whether it'll be good or bad, I finally get to see a Cards game being broadcast in my area here in Mo. Lucky You! If only Western IL would do the same! |
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Post by CardCore on Oct 4, 2024 9:15:01 GMT -7
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Post by thomas cat on Oct 4, 2024 16:45:15 GMT -7
Despite the bad start and terrible home performances again the Cards are 1-0 in the NFC West. Time to get distance from the stink and win in SF. After last week, you got to look for positives wherever you can find them....lol. If we were to win, we would at least be tied for second in the NFC West. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 4, 2024 16:55:01 GMT -7
Despite the bad start and terrible home performances again the Cards are 1-0 in the NFC West. Time to get distance from the stink and win in SF. After last week, you got to look for positives wherever you can find them....lol. If we were to win, we would at least be tied for second in the NFC West. And one game behind Seattle. The funny thing is CC posting an article about how Niners use motion to open things up for them as well as run away from Budda. WA did what the article said the Niners approach is. We will see soon if the young coaches figured out some basic ways to defend, rather than sticking to a Nickel defense that the players on the roster can’t play. The K1 play is a mystery from week to week. |
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Post by thomas cat on Oct 4, 2024 16:56:13 GMT -7
This is really not that important, but for those that like obscure facts about any one game.... Cardinals vs 49ers Could Set Scorching Record Yeah, its click bait....lol. Still, maybe it will give the advantage to what team tolerates the heat the best. |
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Post by knobby on Oct 4, 2024 17:12:11 GMT -7
We will see soon if the young coaches figured out some basic ways to defend, rather than sticking to a Nickel defense that the players on the roster can’t play. The cost of inexperience? On the job training is not the recipe for quick success - so goes the story. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 4, 2024 17:34:11 GMT -7
We will see soon if the young coaches figured out some basic ways to defend, rather than sticking to a Nickel defense that the players on the roster can’t play. The cost of inexperience? On the job training is not the recipe for quick success - so goes the story. Not sure why showing they can be dominated is in the wheelhouse. JG talks about control-ables and the staff can not get players head on right in a game when things start going south or change to adjust to what the opponent is actually doing instead off what may been practiced or thought pre-game. All the modern good to great defensive coaches revert back to cover 2 or cover 3 defense or a combo of the two like cover 6=cover 2 to the weak side and cover 3 to the strong side. Get rid of Nickel as the base since the run game can't be stopped with it. Commit 4 to DL, 3 LBs and 4 DBs (whether 2CBs and 2 Safeties or 1 CB and 3 safeties) Cover 2 or cover 3 can be played with this personnel...the coverage is already bottom-line in ranking...so at least stop the damn run by putting bigger strong player over a Nickel CB that is being torched. Play fast as they preach with a simplified defense with an extra LB to get another hitter on the field. |
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Post by knobby on Oct 4, 2024 19:48:13 GMT -7
The cost of inexperience? On the job training is not the recipe for quick success - so goes the story. Not sure why showing they can be dominated is in the wheelhouse. JG talks about control-ables and the staff can not get players head on right in a game when things start going south or change to adjust to what the opponent is actually doing instead off what may been practiced or thought pre-game.All the modern good to great defensive coaches revert back to cover 2 or cover 3 defense or a combo of the two like cover 6=cover 2 to the weak side and cover 3 to the strong side. Get rid of Nickel as the base since the run game can't be stopped with it. Commit 4 to DL, 3 LBs and 4 DBs (whether 2CBs and 2 Safeties or 1 CB and 3 safeties) Cover 2 or cover 3 can be played with this personnel...the coverage is already bottom-line in ranking...so at least stop the damn run by putting bigger strong player over a Nickel CB that is being torched. Play fast as they preach with a simplified defense with an extra LB to get another hitter on the field. Nice analysis and logical suggestions, MD.
Regarding the highlighted text:
Might that be due to not being taught in preseason and camps? I would think effective reactions to typical defensive/offensive tactics would be a basic part of teaching to all players, and certainly learned by all coaches early in their careers. So why is it a problem? Is JG saying the players have been taught but can't remember what to do, or is that really a weak excuse for other issues?
Granted some players are slower learners, but we were told intelligence is one critical item necessary to be a Cardinal player. That makes asking if coaching is one of, or maybe the main reason for the supposed player problem a reasonable question to be posed to JG. Seeing the lack of halftime or between-plays adjustments to what is happening during games, asking such a pointed questions is not unreasonable.
We have all heard of having a "Plan B" etc. as alternate reactions to surprise events. Are our fledgling coaches concentrating too much on their game plan alone? We have no way of knowing, but can wonder. What we have seen from teams which have mauled us is not magic, and should be understood and countered by our coaches... shouldn't it? Is that being too critical, or a valid point, or even a clue that we are actually working toward a high draft pick again next spring?
Gannon is smart. Petzing is smart. Rallis too, I guess. Wouldn't they at least be smart enough to learn from what the best in the league do to win, and DO IT? Words alone won't cure anything.
The former Redskins peeled back the shiny cover of our team and exposed our many warts for all to see. Did our leaders learn anything from it? The Niners game will give us a big hint.
IMHO
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Post by thomas cat on Oct 4, 2024 20:23:33 GMT -7
Not sure why showing they can be dominated is in the wheelhouse. JG talks about control-ables and the staff can not get players head on right in a game when things start going south or change to adjust to what the opponent is actually doing instead off what may been practiced or thought pre-game.All the modern good to great defensive coaches revert back to cover 2 or cover 3 defense or a combo of the two like cover 6=cover 2 to the weak side and cover 3 to the strong side. Get rid of Nickel as the base since the run game can't be stopped with it. Commit 4 to DL, 3 LBs and 4 DBs (whether 2CBs and 2 Safeties or 1 CB and 3 safeties) Cover 2 or cover 3 can be played with this personnel...the coverage is already bottom-line in ranking...so at least stop the damn run by putting bigger strong player over a Nickel CB that is being torched. Play fast as they preach with a simplified defense with an extra LB to get another hitter on the field. Nice analysis and logical suggestions, MD.
Regarding the highlighted text:
Might that be due to not being taught in preseason and camps? I would think effective reactions to typical defensive/offensive tactics would be a basic part of teaching to all players, and certainly learned by all coaches early in their careers. So why is it a problem? Is JG saying the players have been taught but can't remember what to do, or is that really a weak excuse for other issues?
Granted some players are slower learners, but we were told intelligence is one critical item necessary to be a Cardinal player. That makes asking if coaching is one of, or maybe the main reason for the supposed player problem a reasonable question to be posed to JG. Seeing the lack of halftime or between-plays adjustments to what is happening during games, asking such a pointed questions is not unreasonable.
We have all heard of having a "Plan B" etc. as alternate reactions to surprise events. Are our fledgling coaches concentrating too much on their game plan alone? We have no way of knowing, but can wonder. What we have seen from teams which have mauled us is not magic, and should be understood and countered by our coaches... shouldn't it? Is that being too critical, or a valid point, or even a clue that we are actually working toward a high draft pick again next spring?
Gannon is smart. Petzing is smart. Rallis too, I guess. Wouldn't they at least be smart enough to learn from what the best in the league do to win, and DO IT? Words alone won't cure anything.
The former Redskins peeled back the shiny cover of our team and exposed our many warts for all to see. Did our leaders learn anything from it? The Niners game will give us a big hint.
IMHO
It's hard to disagree with these two posts. "Gannon is smart. Petzing is smart. Rallis too, I guess."I think they are. Where I think they fail is not realizing what the talent they have can do. If everyone performs up to what they expect, the game plan would be fine. But we have a lot of just average guys. We have few stars, but they need the rest of the team to block, tackle, rush, cover. and run precise routes to make it all work. Then their play calling works. They need to learn to work with less. Not an easy task, but if you are good, you find a way. I'm still not giving up, but the coaches need to step up as much as the players. I'm still hopeful for the entire organization, but I sure hope they can learn on the fly and not repeat failed strategies just because it should work.  |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 4, 2024 22:49:26 GMT -7
Nice analysis and logical suggestions, MD.
Regarding the highlighted text:
Might that be due to not being taught in preseason and camps? I would think effective reactions to typical defensive/offensive tactics would be a basic part of teaching to all players, and certainly learned by all coaches early in their careers. So why is it a problem? Is JG saying the players have been taught but can't remember what to do, or is that really a weak excuse for other issues?
Granted some players are slower learners, but we were told intelligence is one critical item necessary to be a Cardinal player. That makes asking if coaching is one of, or maybe the main reason for the supposed player problem a reasonable question to be posed to JG. Seeing the lack of halftime or between-plays adjustments to what is happening during games, asking such a pointed questions is not unreasonable.
We have all heard of having a "Plan B" etc. as alternate reactions to surprise events. Are our fledgling coaches concentrating too much on their game plan alone? We have no way of knowing, but can wonder. What we have seen from teams which have mauled us is not magic, and should be understood and countered by our coaches... shouldn't it? Is that being too critical, or a valid point, or even a clue that we are actually working toward a high draft pick again next spring?
Gannon is smart. Petzing is smart. Rallis too, I guess. Wouldn't they at least be smart enough to learn from what the best in the league do to win, and DO IT? Words alone won't cure anything.
The former Redskins peeled back the shiny cover of our team and exposed our many warts for all to see. Did our leaders learn anything from it? The Niners game will give us a big hint.
IMHO
It's hard to disagree with these two posts. "Gannon is smart. Petzing is smart. Rallis too, I guess."I think they are. Where I think they fail is not realizing what the talent they have can do. If everyone performs up to what they expect, the game plan would be fine. But we have a lot of just average guys. We have few stars, but they need the rest of the team to block, tackle, rush, cover. and run precise routes to make it all work. Then their play calling works. They need to learn to work with less. Not an easy task, but if you are good, you find a way. I'm still not giving up, but the coaches need to step up as much as the players. I'm still hopeful for the entire organization, but I sure hope they can learn on the fly and not repeat failed strategies just because it should work. It is rare to get any thing of substance from this staff. One of the first games...I believe the Bill game JG commented that proper technique wasn't being applied(as per coverage)...first day of camp stuff according to his comment. Since then nothing really given to press. A side point: Stroud had a quote " Pressure is a privilege" Quite a bit of wisdom from a young man and a correct approach. All off-season the quote has been do you know...know?...a demand to understand more than surface knowledge. What happened to the basics like stop the damn run? If a defense can not stop the run...it is doomed. It is FB 101 your strong large players control the A gap a ILB has to own the A gaps at the second level. White is being asked to defend too much field and he is stuck or paralyzed...maybe over whelmed. White is glued to blockers and unable to cover so far this year. The Cards do not have the depth or quality of DL players Philly had or has. Running the Philly nickel is not ever going to work with the current roster even with Robinson return. White being a ghost isn't helping as well. M Wilson wasn't as good on the DL at OLB, so get him off the ball with White and the best trio would be Collins, White, and Wilson. Collins can start on the DL he is big enough to set an edge and release from OL blockers and stop the run. Example of a first down defensive front seven: Wilson White Stills Collier Tonga Nichols Collins There is a need to go as big as possible on first down...The Cards biggest weakness is being killed on first down...Collins can protect an edge and cover the flat out area...Stills ( Stills is a great from WV and WV plays three man front continually and their DEs are used to playing edge with LBs on the second level protecting them)can set an edge and push towards the QB...Wilson can protect either side of Stills and play games with him on pass rush. Wilson is good enough in coverage to play the short weak side route or leaking RB on wheel routes. White has to play run first and then assist in the middle coverage...two directions forward on runs and back is it is pass. At least force the pass...run success the way they are running defense gets DBs beat down and the coverage is poor as well. Make the offense beat the Cards with the pass...DBs play better if focusing on coverage and their uniforms are not dirty. N Jones and Stille were signed...I would make sure both are activated and deactivate a DB or two...Williams will not be playing..so there is one less DB. Once the Cards are ahead of the chains on second or third down a big body or two can be replaced with smaller LBs or DBs. The example front seven is just a 4-3 front...JG and Rallis can get better defense by simplifying...Niners have a big OL and want to play bully ball...don't make it easy, as they did for the Washington rookie. Robbinson and an unknown PS RB shouldn't get 6 yards per rush. Once the run option is eliminated then the coverage gets better. |
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Post by devongent on Oct 5, 2024 0:35:44 GMT -7
It is FB 101 your strong large players control the A gap a ILB has to own the A gaps at the second level. White is being asked to defend too much field and he is stuck or paralyzed...maybe over whelmed. White is glued to blockers and unable to cover so far this year. The Cards do not have the depth or quality of DL players Philly had or has. Running the Philly nickel is not ever going to work with the current roster even with Robinson return. White being a ghost isn't helping as well. M Wilson wasn't as good on the DL at OLB, so get him off the ball with White and the best trio would be Collins, White, and Wilson. Collins can start on the DL he is big enough to set an edge and release from OL blockers and stop the run. Example of a first down defensive front seven: Wilson White Stills Collier Tonga Nichols Collins There is a need to go as big as possible on first down...The Cards biggest weakness is being killed on first down...Collins can protect an edge and cover the flat out area...Stills ( Stills is a great from WV and WV plays three man front continually and their DEs are used to playing edge with LBs on the second level protecting them)can set an edge and push towards the QB...Wilson can protect either side of Stills and play games with him on pass rush. Wilson is good enough in coverage to play the short weak side route or leaking RB on wheel routes. White has to play run first and then assist in the middle coverage...two directions forward on runs and back is it is pass. At least force the pass...run success the way they are running defense gets DBs beat down and the coverage is poor as well. Make the offense beat the Cards with the pass...DBs play better if focusing on coverage and their uniforms are not dirty. N Jones and Stille were signed...I would make sure both are activated and deactivate a DB or two...Williams will not be playing..so there is one less DB. Once the Cards are ahead of the chains on second or third down a big body or two can be replaced with smaller LBs or DBs. The example front seven is just a 4-3 front...JG and Rallis can get better defense by simplifying...Niners have a big OL and want to play bully ball...don't make it easy, as they did for the Washington rookie. Robbinson and an unknown PS RB shouldn't get 6 yards per rush. Once the run option is eliminated then the coverage gets better. Lots of good analysis and a great piece Diesel: If you cannot stop a team running it through the middle then you are well and truly cooked. What incentive is then left to throw the ball, even at all? Once the ball goes airborne there is always a chance of getting it back. I'm no technical guru, but I favor a 4-3 front and the 4-2-5 Nickel packages; these appear to be less complex in nature and easier to understand and play. Without a strong front, then the Nickel can become a luxury and that seems to be what is happening with the Cardinals right now. However, it could still work (and be appropriate in obvious 3rd down situations) if the players were employed to their individual strengths within this structure. It's up to the coaching staff to get the players a) Highly motivated b) Each player to have a full understanding of what their role is. This sounds pretty basic advice, but ultimately that's what a team sport is all about, 'know what you are doing and give it your all'. I know Football is a complex affair with lots of subtlety, tweaks and tactics, but sometimes overthinking things can lead to hesitation and players not performing to their potential. |
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Post by devongent on Oct 5, 2024 0:53:10 GMT -7
White being a ghost isn't helping as well. M Wilson wasn't as good on the DL at OLB, so get him off the ball with White and the best trio would be Collins, White, and Wilson. Collins can start on the DL he is big enough to set an edge and release from OL blockers and stop the run.I thought worthy of a specific response; 'round pegs in round holes' comes to mind. - Get individuals playing to their own strengths rather than adapting them to 'fit the system'. If this isn't happening, then I will go off Jonathan Gannon quite quickly. This sounds the ideal role for Zaven Collins and matching him to his strengths. He has never been (nor ever will be) and out and out premier Edge rusher. |
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