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Post by flash on Aug 24, 2024 10:38:10 GMT -7
Hello Chirp....
I didn't forget Moore...he is a 9 year veteran...Zay Jones is an 8 year veteran...
They brought in Zay after Moore was already on the roster...did they do that because of what they saw of Moore in training camp or practice? I understand the need for a veteran WR to help the younger players...
I just question Moore because of Zay being brought in after him...
Compare their career stats:
I especially question Moore's stats because he was with the Ravens for 5 seasons...3 of those seasons the QB was Lamar Jackson...
So, the question is this...Jackson did run the ball a lot...and that did take away targets from the WR's...also he was with Houston in 2021 and 2022...in 2022 the QB was Davis Mills a bottom of the barrel NFL QB...and in 2021 his QB was Davis Mills for 11 games and Tyrod Taylor for 6 games...and in 2023 his QB's were Ryan Tannehill for 8 games and Will Levis a Rookie...for 9 games...perhaps you see something in Chris Moore that I can't see...I will give him the benefit of the doubt because of the QB's he played with most of his career...they sucked...ha ha ha
I would rather just have us try to develop either Palmer or Weaver and see what they can get out of them...I had read on NFL.com that Weaver might be a player that might make the 53 man roster...but they also mentioned that they drafted Palmer for a reason...
let me see if I can find the article...I could not find the article that mentioned that Palmer has the edge over Weaver because he was actually drafted and Weaver wasn't...I will keep looking for the article and if I find it...I will post the link...
I smell what you are cooking Flash...however Moore is much more important with the suspension news. Moore did play a bit in preseason games and looked good. He is a reliable vet the Cards made a good move getting him.
If players need developing ...they are not NFL ready and PS bait. JG did say it has not been too big for Weaver so far(a good sign). Moore isn't as good as Zay and now we know why the Jags moved on a long with injuries to Zay. I was surprised he was signed at a small contract and as the information is revealed it makes more sense.
Palmer is not ready and Weaver is a small build player who may need more physical development. Xavier Weaver Height:6'1" Weight: 180lb
Steve Breaston Height: 6'0' Weight: 189lb
Breaston was close in stature to Weaver...and we saw what Breaston did. Breaston had 1006 receiving yards in his second season...I would prefer we try to develop Weaver...
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Post by MT Diesel on Aug 24, 2024 10:55:41 GMT -7
Xavier Weaver Height:6'1" Weight: 180lb
Steve Breaston Height: 6'0' Weight: 189lb
Breaston was close in stature to Weaver...and we saw what Breaston did. Breaston had 1006 receiving yards in his second season...I would prefer we try to develop Weaver...
I knew this was coming. LOL Weaver is a small build player desite the comparisons you come up up with. Dortch is smaller. Even with Dortch he was given time to develop. To Compare a player from Michigan and one from Colorado was a good one. He didn't participate in the combine coming off injury. He didn't last his first year of middle level college ball. Here is recent news from March: While Colorado’s wide receiver Xavier Weaver appeared at Indianapolis for the NFL Combine, his non-participation in the drills raised questions. He was the standout wide receiver for the Colorado Buffaloes in 2023. Weaver has voiced genuine reasons that prevented him from showcasing his talents at the combine. Opening up during a YouTube video, he talks about injury woes that paused his presence, limiting him physically. At the same time, he still gave body measurements and interacted with the media personnel. We delve deeper into his reasoning and the future as he appears in good spirits, cheering for other wide receivers and expressing pride in representing Colorado. Playing through the pain, Xavier Weaver opens up on injury problems I like Weaver and he isn't Breaston or Moore the latter have NFL stats and survived college. Weaver is still a slight build player who needs physical development. |
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Post by flash on Aug 24, 2024 12:14:42 GMT -7
Xavier Weaver Height:6'1" Weight: 180lb
Steve Breaston Height: 6'0' Weight: 189lb
Breaston was close in stature to Weaver...and we saw what Breaston did. Breaston had 1006 receiving yards in his second season...I would prefer we try to develop Weaver...
I knew this was coming. LOL Weaver is a small build player desite the comparisons you come up up with. Dortch is smaller. Even with Dortch he was given time to develop. To Compare a player from Michigan and one from Colorado was a good one. He didn't participate in the combine coming off injury. He didn't last his first year of middle level college ball. Here is recent news from March: While Colorado’s wide receiver Xavier Weaver appeared at Indianapolis for the NFL Combine, his non-participation in the drills raised questions. He was the standout wide receiver for the Colorado Buffaloes in 2023. Weaver has voiced genuine reasons that prevented him from showcasing his talents at the combine. Opening up during a YouTube video, he talks about injury woes that paused his presence, limiting him physically. At the same time, he still gave body measurements and interacted with the media personnel. We delve deeper into his reasoning and the future as he appears in good spirits, cheering for other wide receivers and expressing pride in representing Colorado. Playing through the pain, Xavier Weaver opens up on injury problems I like Weaver and he isn't Breaston or Moore the latter have NFL stats and survived college. Weaver is still a slight build player who needs physical development. So, you knew this was coming? Ha ha ha. Even I didn't know this was coming.... Ok, we just have to wait and see what happens. I don't doubt anything you say because you are usually on spot. But that's funny what you said that you saw this coming... |
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Post by MT Diesel on Aug 24, 2024 14:31:30 GMT -7
I knew this was coming. LOL Weaver is a small build player desite the comparisons you come up up with. Dortch is smaller. Even with Dortch he was given time to develop. To Compare a player from Michigan and one from Colorado was a good one. He didn't participate in the combine coming off injury. He didn't last his first year of middle level college ball. Here is recent news from March: While Colorado’s wide receiver Xavier Weaver appeared at Indianapolis for the NFL Combine, his non-participation in the drills raised questions. He was the standout wide receiver for the Colorado Buffaloes in 2023. Weaver has voiced genuine reasons that prevented him from showcasing his talents at the combine. Opening up during a YouTube video, he talks about injury woes that paused his presence, limiting him physically. At the same time, he still gave body measurements and interacted with the media personnel. We delve deeper into his reasoning and the future as he appears in good spirits, cheering for other wide receivers and expressing pride in representing Colorado. Playing through the pain, Xavier Weaver opens up on injury problems I like Weaver and he isn't Breaston or Moore the latter have NFL stats and survived college. Weaver is still a slight build player who needs physical development. So, you knew this was coming? Ha ha ha. Even I didn't know this was coming.... Ok, we just have to wait and see what happens. I don't doubt anything you say because you are usually on spot. But that's funny what you said that you saw this coming... Flash when I was writing the post with a negative point on a player you like and see the value in...I did not expect you to ignore it.LOL I always appreciate your thoughts and the work you put in finding information to share. It is also fun poking the bear and see how he reacts. I wouldn't test your posts if I didn't respect you. The big question was who you were going to use as a player comparison. We will see what happens soon enough. The debates will continue.  |
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Post by flash on Aug 25, 2024 8:44:16 GMT -7
So, you knew this was coming? Ha ha ha. Even I didn't know this was coming.... Ok, we just have to wait and see what happens. I don't doubt anything you say because you are usually on spot. But that's funny what you said that you saw this coming... Flash when I was writing the post with a negative point on a player you like and see the value in...I did not expect you to ignore it.LOL I always appreciate your thoughts and the work you put in finding information to share. It is also fun poking the bear and see how he reacts. I wouldn't test your posts if I didn't respect you. The big question was who you were going to use as a player comparison.We will see what happens soon enough. The debates will continue. I will usually look and choose a player that I feel makes the best comparison...you can test my posts anytime...that is what this forum is all about....  |
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Post by MT Diesel on Aug 25, 2024 11:05:48 GMT -7
Flash when I was writing the post with a negative point on a player you like and see the value in...I did not expect you to ignore it.LOL I always appreciate your thoughts and the work you put in finding information to share. It is also fun poking the bear and see how he reacts. I wouldn't test your posts if I didn't respect you. The big question was who you were going to use as a player comparison.We will see what happens soon enough. The debates will continue. I will usually look and choose a player that I feel makes the best comparison...you can test my posts anytime...that is what this forum is all about.... Now on a more serious note...the one known is Zay being suspended...is that position filled with a Chisena or Weaver or do the Cards keep an extra RB? With a dynamic couple of TEs in McBride and Higgybear would an extra RB be of greater need and more impact. A RB like Carter can line up at slot and be a great WR screen option. |
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Post by respecttheprocess on Aug 25, 2024 11:11:32 GMT -7
Here’s my take. To me…it comes down to KM’s ability to do the following effectively:
1) Be a positive leader…through his play and body language;
2) Be able to play effectively from the pocket and read coverages;
3) Be able to play under center more then a few snaps and play action off what appears to be a strong running game;
4) To see the middle of the field better with effective WR crossing routes and tight end pass completions;
5) To cut lose his natural playmaking ability…ala Russel Wilson in his prime…when the play breaks down…and that doesn’t always mean running…but scrambling and keeping his vision downfield to hit receivers who break off their original patterns.
6) To be dynamic and dangerous in his roll out play.
There is no doubt that KM possesses the arm talent and the athletic ability to be a dynamic QB. But the NFL requires more than school yard tactics to be a sustainable and consistent NFL QB. Have the Cardinals finally surrounded him with enough talent and competent coaches to put him in the best position to succeed? Has he matured enough to place some of the responsibility on himself to improve on his weaknesses and perfect his strengths? It’s a BIG year for him…to prove his skeptics wrong and the Cardinals right in picking him #1 overall. I’m excited to see what this season holds…not just for the Cardinals as an organization but for KM as a player. I wish him well and hope he can stay healthy. The game tapes will not lie…and whether defensive coordinators really have to game plan for him differently or continue to play a cover (2) and keep him in the pocket to beat them…remains to be seen.
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Post by flash on Aug 25, 2024 12:16:46 GMT -7
I will usually look and choose a player that I feel makes the best comparison...you can test my posts anytime...that is what this forum is all about.... Now on a more serious note...the one known is Zay being suspended...is that position filled with a Chisena or Weaver or do the Cards keep an extra RB? With a dynamic couple of TEs in McBride and Higgybear would an extra RB be of greater need and more impact. A RB like Carter can line up at slot and be a great WR screen option. I was putting together a great reply to your post...I was almost done and I hit something and the site closed on me...damn it...it had taken me about an hour to put everything together...
I will do it all over again but not on the thread...I will use a either Notepad or Word so I can save my changes...
I will try to redo the post...I am bummed because I actually had some great info on what you were asking....
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Post by MT Diesel on Aug 25, 2024 12:30:30 GMT -7
Now on a more serious note...the one known is Zay being suspended...is that position filled with a Chisena or Weaver or do the Cards keep an extra RB? With a dynamic couple of TEs in McBride and Higgybear would an extra RB be of greater need and more impact. A RB like Carter can line up at slot and be a great WR screen option. I was putting together a great reply to your post...I was almost done and I hit something and the site closed on me...damn it...it had taken me about an hour to put everything together...
I will do it all over again but not on the thread...I will use a either Notepad or Word so I can save my changes...
I will try to redo the post...I am bummed because I actually had some great info on what you were asking....
You may enjoy a couple Gameday posts...hopefully it cheers you up. I will look for your post. I have had some long winded posts go away at times due to errors on my part and I usually give up on them. You are a more patient man than I am. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Aug 25, 2024 12:36:13 GMT -7
Maybe today we will see Carter and he games out...so far he has been the Horshack to Barbarino (Williams) in their NFL careers. Denver has been good to Williams and maybe today it will be good for Carter.
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Post by cbltv on Aug 25, 2024 12:42:01 GMT -7
JFC, I always enjoy your frank assessments of Murray. I'm not his biggest fan; everyone knows that at this Forum. Since Murray has decided to sit out 3 PS games for August 2024, I assess that his game has not improved since January 2024, when he last played. I am right until he plays again and changes the statistics and team Won and Loss record. Murray will play his first game snap of the 2024 season on September 8, 2024. That's when we will learn if he has changed. Today, I doubt he has changed as a professional. He's older. That's all we know for certain. The team has changed substantially—at least, the roster names have changed. But what really needs to change for this team is for the Offense to score more points and the Defense to yield fewer points since last January's final game. The 2023 points averages sucked, causing a 4-win season. The team was 1-2 plays away from a 2-win season! Go Cardinals! I have no issue with your concerns or thoughts. Myself, I am willing to forgive K1 in a large way for all his inconsistencies if he can finish a year without missing games. I am much more positive about the defense as well. 2024 isn't 2023 and that is a plus. Like Hjalte...many players are trending in the right direction. I refuse to poo poo the players or the team and rather give them the benefit of the doubt. I do not have to protect myself from a possible fall and would rather give the players and team the respect of an undefeated team until the regular season proves otherwise. I like when I voiced some concerns on the pre-season and some stepped up with positive spins. My concerns were legitimate in my view, but there is also benefits in giving the HC and team the benefit of the doubt. I am a homer I am a fanatic and I am partial as well as wear the rose colored glasses. I am secure in my fandom of the Cards and unlike many fans across the country do not require the team I cheer for to win...I have witnessed a ton of garbage and will still sport the Cards gear in the worse of times. Card fans are a bit not right in the head and I love that.TRUTH and LOLOL |
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