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Post by fightingfalcon on Aug 23, 2024 9:23:10 GMT -7
Having a minor need to waste time, and intrigued by somebody's lament that the media doesn't realize how much better the Cardinals are going to be this year because of their outstanding draft class, I started to wonder. . . . Just how much does having a high draft position help a team's W/L record the same year as the draft? And so I asked ChapGPT, and they told me it was an interesting question and it would require them to access some database they presumably can't access or something like that. So I thought I would check with Mr. Google myself, and enlist the help of Mr. Excel to record, for the last ten years, how teams that drafted at each position fared the same year -- as compared to the previous year. I thought the results were interesting. For teams with the #1 draft pick, the year they made the pick they won, on average, 2.4 games more than they won the previous year. Teams with the second draft pick won 3.2 more games, and teams with the third draft pick won, on average, two more games. The teams fortunate to have the fourth overall pick of the draft won an average of 4.6 more games than the previous year -- the most of any draft position. As might be expected, the average W/L change dropped to zero at draft choice 14. There were a couple of interesting blips on the graph -- the teams selected at the 28th position won, on average, 4.1 fewer games then they had in the previous. And for whatever reason, teams picking 32nd won on average 1.6 more games than they had the previous year! Here, for your time-wasting enjoyment, is a graph of the results. . . . Click on the graph to get a full screen view.
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Post by Dry Heat on Aug 23, 2024 10:48:07 GMT -7
Falcon I always come to your posts expecting biting sarcasm, but this is kind of interesting. 10 years is a decent amount of data to show a trend, and the teams with the top 5 picks all seem to gain 2 or more games.
I’m optimistic in my 8-9 wins because I think our 2023 season without Kyler in the first half disguises the talent of the team in the second half. With Kyler and the working out the kinks of a new GM, HC, OC and DC, we had a top running game. Fantasy players know we had the top second half TE in McBride. Kyler was actually a sneaky good second half QB, even though he was returning from ACL/MCL. We were a good offense without even having a WR1, and with a rookie WR2 in Wilson. Our issue was defense. I think it’s reasonable to say we are the team from last year with Kyler all season, we would have been around a 6 win team.
For 2024, we benefit from not just the #4 pick, but the bounty that was created via trades in the 2023 draft giving us SEVEN top 100 picks, including 2 in the first round. We benefit from a 100% healthy Kyler getting work to learn the system last season and a full training camp. We benefit from very few a losses and a series of FA defensive starter additions in every defensive room except safety (and we seem to have drafted a good one there). I’m optimistic our offense is better, even though our second half offense was pretty good, with the addition of a legit WR1, high pick RB Benson to spell Conner, and some Oline additions including TE Reiman. And I think our defense is slightly upgraded at each position except unfortunately OLB. The sum of those additions should add up to a game or two.
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Post by End Zone on Aug 24, 2024 4:37:55 GMT -7
I appreciate numbers. These numbers tell me that the NFL's draft system works. All boats are "FAIRLY" raised by the NFL Draft process.
Talent poor teams tend to win a handful more games the next season. That makes sense since a few good men can quickly change the fortunes for a team. A few good men doesn't mean a Champion is born.
It takes a whole bunch of guys working together to make a TEAM.
Teams make champions.
Individuals never define teams.
Individuals never win championships.
The graphic aberration was that teams that play in the conference championship games and super bowl games and pick 29-32 in the drafts tend to still win a high amount of games regardless of draft position. Those teams are typically EXTREMELY WELL MANAGED so it makes sense that they will repeat successes regardless of draft positions.
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Post by cbltv on Aug 24, 2024 8:36:59 GMT -7
I appreciate numbers. These numbers tell me that the NFL's draft system works. All boats are "FAIRLY" raised by the NFL Draft process. Talent poor teams tend to win a handful more games the next season. That makes sense since a few good men can quickly change the fortunes for a team. A few good men doesn't mean a Champion is born. It takes a whole bunch of guys working together to make a TEAM. Teams make champions. Individuals never define teams.
Individuals never win championships.The graphic aberration was that teams that play in the conference championship games and super bowl games and pick 29-32 in the drafts tend to still win a high amount of games regardless of draft position. Those teams are typically EXTREMELY WELL MANAGED so it makes sense that they will repeat successes regardless of draft positions.That is what they used to call Dynasties in Football 30+ years ago and longer.
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