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Post by respecttheprocess on Aug 4, 2024 6:46:44 GMT -7
With the training camp injury of BJ Ojulari, the turf at State Farm Stadium has come into question once again. There have been whispers through the years from Cardinal players, opposing NFL players and college players that the retractable turf at State Farm Stadium is or has been at the center of many notable injuries calling the surface into question. So…I did a little research from the Cardinals web site and listed some notable injuries below. Some of these you will remember were “non-contact” injuries…where just the turf contributed to the injury. Granted…it’s football….injuries happen…and they happen at all stadiums and on all fields. But…one does begin to wonder where State Farm lands on the list of top injury related fields. I’m sure the NFL knows…and I’m quite sure the Cardinals know. Does anyone else know? 😳
1) DT Darnell Darkett (ACL)
2) G Jonathan Cooper (Fractured Leg)
3) QB Carson Palmer (ACL)
4) T Jared Veldeer (Fractured Ankle)
5) S Tyrann Matthieu (ACL) (I thought this may have happened in Philly?)
6) C A. Q. Shipley (ACL)
7) G Ethan Mathis (torn ankle ligaments)
8) T D.J. Humphries (Dislocated patella with torn ligaments)
9) DT Robert Nkmediche (ACL)
10) DT Corey Peters (ACL)
11) G Justin Pugh (ACL)
12) DE JJ Watt (Dislocated shoulder with torn ligaments)
13) WR DeAndre Hopkins (MCL)
14) QB Kyler Murray (ACL)
15) RB Marlon Mack (Ruptured Achilles)
16) DE BJ Ojulari (ACL)
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Post by supercard on Aug 4, 2024 7:11:11 GMT -7
With the training camp injury of BJ Ojulari, the turf at State Farm Stadium has come into question once again. There have been whispers through the years from Cardinal players, opposing NFL players and college players that the retractable turf at State Farm Stadium is or has been at the center of many notable injuries calling the surface into question. So…I did a little research from the Cardinals web site and listed some notable injuries below. Some of these you will remember were “non-contact” injuries…where just the turf contributed to the injury. Granted…it’s football….injuries happen…and they happen at all stadiums and on all fields. But…one does begin to wonder where State Farm lands on the list of top injury related fields. I’m sure the NFL knows…and I’m quite sure the Cardinals know. Does anyone else know? 😳 1) DT Darnell Darkett (ACL) 2) G Jonathan Cooper (Fractured Leg) 3) QB Carson Palmer (ACL) 4) T Jared Veldeer (Fractured Ankle) 5) S Tyrann Matthieu (ACL) (I thought this may have happened in Philly?) 6) C A. Q. Shipley (ACL) 7) G Ethan Mathis (torn ankle ligaments) 8) T D.J. Humphries (Dislocated patella with torn ligaments) 9) DT Robert Nkmediche (ACL) 10) DT Corey Peters (ACL) 11) G Justin Pugh (ACL) 12) DE JJ Watt (Dislocated shoulder with torn ligaments) 13) WR DeAndre Hopkins (MCL) 14) QB Kyler Murray (ACL) 15) RB Marlon Mack (Ruptured Achilles) 16) DE BJ Ojulari (ACL) |
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Post by supercard on Aug 4, 2024 7:15:05 GMT -7
BS. Go back on ANY stadium over last 20 years list out all the notable injuries. Since you appear to have the time to do this.
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Post by respecttheprocess on Aug 4, 2024 7:42:16 GMT -7
BS. Go back on ANY stadium over last 20 years list out all the notable injuries. Since you appear to have the time to do this. That’s a petty rough response SuperCard…it was only meant to discuss a topic…intelligently I might add…that’s been out there in the public domain…was not meant to offend anyone…do you work for the Stadium…RELAX!!! 😂 I did say football injuries happen at all stadiums and on all fields. But State Farm has been in the news for their turf for quite awhile. But if you have relevant facts regarding “non-contact” ACL injuries that appear to be regularly occurring in high numbers on other fields…feel free to post...I did my research…how bout you? 😉 |
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Post by cardinalsdo on Aug 4, 2024 7:58:22 GMT -7
The Cardinals traditionally don't draft well. As a result, we don't have a lot of great players. So the ones who do get injured stick out more.
Take for example, BJ Ojulari.Last year's draft wasn't particularly a strong one. Ojulari was one of the better picks. He was a pass rusher from a good program in LSU. The Cardinals traditionally avoided top players from reputable SEC schools like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss etc. Ojulari sufferred an ACL tear but because he was one of our better selections, this injury stands out more. They have drafted them in the past but Keim opted for unicorns from small schools rather than boring yet consistent players from top SEC programs.
In addition, a lot of the players sufferrd similar injuries prior to coming to the Cardinals like Carson Palmer. He famously had knee injuries prior to coming to AZ. And a big reason he got reinjured had nothing to do with the turf and everything to do with the lack of protection he received and the scheme we ran (playacton with no inside running game or inside protection especially when Lyle Sendlein retired)
Let's remember, the Cardinals turf or natural grass field is considered a bonus or a pro. True "turf" fields that caused injuries were astro turf that was layed over concrete. That led to a lot of injuries. The classic Texas Stadium and Veterans Field in Philly were known to cause a lot of injuries.
Quite the contrary, our field is often ranked the best or near the best in the NFL and has been for years. This is an old ranking system but I wanted to show you I wasn't making this up.
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Post by CardCore on Aug 4, 2024 8:58:39 GMT -7
JJ Watt's injury had ZERO
to do with the turf.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Aug 4, 2024 10:03:48 GMT -7
With the training camp injury of BJ Ojulari, the turf at State Farm Stadium has come into question once again. There have been whispers through the years from Cardinal players, opposing NFL players and college players that the retractable turf at State Farm Stadium is or has been at the center of many notable injuries calling the surface into question. So…I did a little research from the Cardinals web site and listed some notable injuries below. Some of these you will remember were “non-contact” injuries…where just the turf contributed to the injury. Granted…it’s football….injuries happen…and they happen at all stadiums and on all fields. But…one does begin to wonder where State Farm lands on the list of top injury related fields. I’m sure the NFL knows…and I’m quite sure the Cardinals know. Does anyone else know? 😳 1) DT Darnell Darkett (ACL) 2) G Jonathan Cooper (Fractured Leg) 3) QB Carson Palmer (ACL) 4) T Jared Veldeer (Fractured Ankle) 5) S Tyrann Matthieu (ACL) (I thought this may have happened in Philly?) 6) C A. Q. Shipley (ACL) 7) G Ethan Mathis (torn ankle ligaments) 8) T D.J. Humphries (Dislocated patella with torn ligaments) 9) DT Robert Nkmediche (ACL) 10) DT Corey Peters (ACL) 11) G Justin Pugh (ACL) 12) DE JJ Watt (Dislocated shoulder with torn ligaments) 13) WR DeAndre Hopkins (MCL) 14) QB Kyler Murray (ACL) 15) RB Marlon Mack (Ruptured Achilles) 16) DE BJ Ojulari (ACL) I am in agreement. I have evidence to back it up. On several occasions, I have posted in detail articles and opinions on the turf grass at State Farm Stadium. In my past years, I worked in turf grass (9 years) mainly Golf Courses and a football field in Florida. Years ago I posted a Thread when the Cardinals went to play Carolina in an away game. Carolina had problems then. My feeling is that there are several issues. One is the root system often is not given time to build up under the turf. The other culprit is discussed in the link below by probably the top authority on turf grass for football fields George Toma. Discussion on Cardinals turf grass |
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Aug 4, 2024 10:15:15 GMT -7
In this video, Cardinal Turf management gets ready for the Super Bowl
The Key word that I heard was "aesthetic"
I don't know about Ojulari's injury but there were numerous
complaints after this Super Bowl about our turf.
Rye grass is the aesthetic grass. Greenskeeper uses it to overseed
before the Winter Months set in. It looks beautiful
We all want pretty greens. Well rye grass has no real good root system.
George Toma said the turf was overwatered which caused it to rot
This is common and right now in Florida we are getting flooded
by a tropical Storm which adds to the problem.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Aug 4, 2024 10:20:18 GMT -7
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Post by CardsFanQC on Aug 4, 2024 10:21:55 GMT -7
The turf issue -- I have always believed that when the Cards put in brand new turf sod into the tray it takes a good 40 days or so before it "knits" together well. Brand new sod is going to be a little "loose" until the root system in the tray has time to develop.
I believe the new laid turf (by NFL selected turf company) in which the Eagles-Chiefs complained about the slippage I believe was installed around 30 days prior to the game. Additionally the NFL was said to have "over-watered" it before moving the tray inside the dome which didn't allow for as much evaporation of the water needed before the SB game.
Now as for training camp -- the Cards I believe don't do anything for TC and so players are practicing on ripped up old turf that withstood the previous season. Whenever I used to go to TC, the field looked like it had not been watered enough and was "patchy." I will say it is strange that in an air-conditioned environment the Cards to date have not been able to attract another team for inter-squad scrimmages at SFS.
The year the Saints pre-season game on 8/10 is the only pre-season game for the Cards and the first home game isn't until the Rams game 35 days later. I believe the Cards will tear out the old stuff and lay new turf sod the day after the Saints game Saturday.
Well - we'll see how the turf looks and plays (yes in the past the players believe it is a fast natural grass field and like it when the sod is "tight" and not loose. Weeks 2-4 the Cards play 3 games in a row at home so we'll see how the teams fair injury wise with quite a test for the newer turf.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Aug 4, 2024 10:26:16 GMT -7
The Cardinals traditionally don't draft well. As a result, we don't have a lot of great players. So the ones who do get injured stick out more.
Take for example, BJ Ojulari.Last year's draft wasn't particularly a strong one. Ojulari was one of the better picks. He was a pass rusher from a good program in LSU. The Cardinals traditionally avoided top players from reputable SEC schools like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss etc. Ojulari sufferred an ACL tear but because he was one of our better selections, this injury stands out more. They have drafted them in the past but Keim opted for unicorns from small schools rather than boring yet consistent players from top SEC programs.
In addition, a lot of the players sufferrd similar injuries prior to coming to the Cardinals like Carson Palmer. He famously had knee injuries prior to coming to AZ. And a big reason he got reinjured had nothing to do with the turf and everything to do with the lack of protection he received and the scheme we ran (playacton with no inside running game or inside protection especially when Lyle Sendlein retired)
Let's remember, the Cardinals turf or natural grass field is considered a bonus or a pro. True "turf" fields that caused injuries were astro turf that was layed over concrete. That led to a lot of injuries. The classic Texas Stadium and Veterans Field in Philly were known to cause a lot of injuries.
Quite the contrary, our field is often ranked the best or near the best in the NFL and has been for years. This is an old ranking system but I wanted to show you I wasn't making this up.
respect to you DO We always agree but not on this But this is an old rating from 9 years ago, The Cardinals changed the type of turf (A newer hybrid) since then to another Hybrid Watch the video with George Toma. He explains why our field failed in that Super Bowl. I wrote about this hybrid turf grass in threads in the past. |
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Post by respecttheprocess on Aug 4, 2024 12:02:10 GMT -7
With the training camp injury of BJ Ojulari, the turf at State Farm Stadium has come into question once again. There have been whispers through the years from Cardinal players, opposing NFL players and college players that the retractable turf at State Farm Stadium is or has been at the center of many notable injuries calling the surface into question. So…I did a little research from the Cardinals web site and listed some notable injuries below. Some of these you will remember were “non-contact” injuries…where just the turf contributed to the injury. Granted…it’s football….injuries happen…and they happen at all stadiums and on all fields. But…one does begin to wonder where State Farm lands on the list of top injury related fields. I’m sure the NFL knows…and I’m quite sure the Cardinals know. Does anyone else know? 😳 1) DT Darnell Darkett (ACL) 2) G Jonathan Cooper (Fractured Leg) 3) QB Carson Palmer (ACL) 4) T Jared Veldeer (Fractured Ankle) 5) S Tyrann Matthieu (ACL) (I thought this may have happened in Philly?) 6) C A. Q. Shipley (ACL) 7) G Ethan Mathis (torn ankle ligaments) 8) T D.J. Humphries (Dislocated patella with torn ligaments) 9) DT Robert Nkmediche (ACL) 10) DT Corey Peters (ACL) 11) G Justin Pugh (ACL) 12) DE JJ Watt (Dislocated shoulder with torn ligaments) 13) WR DeAndre Hopkins (MCL) 14) QB Kyler Murray (ACL) 15) RB Marlon Mack (Ruptured Achilles) 16) DE BJ Ojulari (ACL) I am in agreement. I have evidence to back it up. On several occasions, I have posted in detail articles and opinions on the turf grass at State Farm Stadium. In my past years, I worked in turf grass (9 years) mainly Golf Courses and a football field in Florida. Years ago I posted a Thread when the Cardinals went to play Carolina in an away game. Carolina had problems then. My feeling is that there are several issues. One is the root system often is not given time to build up under the turf. The other culprit is discussed in the link below by probably the top authority on turf grass for football fields George Toma. Discussion on Cardinals turf grass Good to hear from you FL Cardinal Fan…and thanks for the information posted about the field’s surface. Although the field received high marks some (9) years ago…it seems to have come under scrutiny from various players and coaches from both the NFL and collegiate levels at times since then. The Cardinal turf related injuries posted don’t include other team’s players which I seem to remember as well…Richard Sherman’s torn Achilles as an example. As I stated…injuries happen both on grass and artificial surfaces…and at Stadium’s throughout the league. But…as one poster pointed out…some stadiums begin to carry a reputation for certain types of injuries occurring….like the Old Philly Vet stadium of yesteryear…and…for whatever reason…it seems…warranted or not…State Farm’s surface has come into question for some very notable “non-contact” related injuries in recent years…to players at both the NFL and collegiate levels. |
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Post by End Zone on Aug 4, 2024 16:19:07 GMT -7
FLCF, thanks for providing a lawn pro's persective on seeding and turf quality. I'll take you word over a statistcian's word. None of us knows what is the 'quality' of the SFS field and how that impacts injury rate compared to 31 other teams. Throwing shade on SFS turf because of OBJ's ACL tear is unjust. IMV. Show me the sod! |
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Aug 4, 2024 16:51:52 GMT -7
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Post by MT Diesel on Aug 4, 2024 20:25:00 GMT -7
I am thankful for the turf thread...gracias.
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