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Post by CardCore on Jun 26, 2024 10:47:44 GMT -7
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Post by CardCore on Jun 26, 2024 13:45:49 GMT -7
😳 Wow. Optimism reigns!
ROTB Poll:
Poll
Will the Cardinals make the 2024 NFL playoffs?
25%: Yes, Emory Hunt is right on! (26 votes)
58%: Yes,but only if they stay healthy (61 votes)
14%: No, they will continue to struggle in NFC West (15 votes)
2%: No chance (2 votes)
1%: Other
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melgray85
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Didn't Your Coach Warn You?
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Post by melgray85 on Jun 26, 2024 14:25:41 GMT -7
I've been seeing more and more of this type of thing online.....i.e. sleepers, dark horse, underestimated, etc.
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Post by flash on Jun 26, 2024 14:39:45 GMT -7
This was mentioned in the article:
Now having what he believes could be the best secondary in the NFC West in Budda Baker, Jalen Thompson, Max Melton and Elijah Jones. I am curious how he has Elijah Jones in that group. If anything, I would think that Garrett Williams would be the other CB opposite of Melton. And if not Williams, Bunting I would think be the other option. Both Jones and Williams are 3rd round picks. Williams was selected a little bit higher in the 3rd round. Because Williams has a partial season of experience over Jones a Rookie, I am just wondering. Am I missing something about Jones? Let me know if I am...
I saw some of the college highlights on Jones. He did not seem to have better highlights than what I saw on Williams last season.
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Post by CardCore on Jun 26, 2024 19:22:44 GMT -7
This was mentioned in the article:
Now having what he believes could be the best secondary in the NFC West in Budda Baker, Jalen Thompson, Max Melton and Elijah Jones. I am curious how he has Elijah Jones in that group. If anything, I would think that Garrett Williams would be the other CB opposite of Melton. And if not Williams, Bunting I would think be the other option. Both Jones and Williams are 3rd round picks. Williams was selected a little bit higher in the 3rd round. Because Williams has a partial season of experience over Jones a Rookie, I am just wondering. Am I missing something about Jones? Let me know if I am...
I saw some of the college highlights on Jones. He did not seem to have better highlights than what I saw on Williams last season.
I wondered about that too Flash, but, decided to sweep it aside just because I believe our secondary is greatly improved regardless. With the best guys starting and having good players to rotate in to keep guys fresh, I am excited.
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Post by cardstj22 on Jun 27, 2024 11:51:16 GMT -7
Kind of reinforces that people just don't know. They know the roster is improved. It seems teams will be using their draft picks a lot. I see a lot of rookie wrs high in Fantasy drafts. Leggette, MHJ,Nabors,Thomas...teams are going to use these guys. Now we need all of our draft picks to win jobs and be out there getting good snaps often. That's the way to becoming good. Draft well, play well, prove the naysayers wrong. They just go by trends anyways because it's easy. Not so easy when all the sudden the Cards are a playoff team.
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Post by MT Diesel on Jun 28, 2024 10:08:51 GMT -7
This was mentioned in the article:
Now having what he believes could be the best secondary in the NFC West in Budda Baker, Jalen Thompson, Max Melton and Elijah Jones. I am curious how he has Elijah Jones in that group. If anything, I would think that Garrett Williams would be the other CB opposite of Melton. And if not Williams, Bunting I would think be the other option. Both Jones and Williams are 3rd round picks. Williams was selected a little bit higher in the 3rd round. Because Williams has a partial season of experience over Jones a Rookie, I am just wondering. Am I missing something about Jones? Let me know if I am...
I saw some of the college highlights on Jones. He did not seem to have better highlights than what I saw on Williams last season.
Elijah Jones has the most games started in Pitt.'s history and only play from Harlem in the NFL a long CB with a ton of experience..G Williams plays a different role than Melton and Jones...Jones and Melton are outside options and are close friends since being on the team. Jones is well deserving of the mention...just because he wasn't noticed by us fans doesn't lower his value. Melton is also a special pick. G Williams role still remains as a nickel CB with the outside CB additions. A short article and Hunt has solid points that give good evidence of the improvements of the roster...without any mention of the player buy-in under JG. K1 is the key as well as the coaching staff being able to give him support above the improved offensive weapons and improved OL. Some in the national media have commented on K1 never having a mature HC who could do things like preparing OL to slide projection correctly for him as well as the emphasis on the run game and under center and play action. So many changes in 2023 that show the new coaching staff not only believes in him as well as Monti and the actual surrounding K1 and putting him in position to be able to succeed. It goes beyond what us as casual fans take in to account. The best FB player in TX's history although under 6'0"tall is not a little thing...Brees is from TX and not in that conversation...if that gives a little prospective on K1's ability in FB. FB is a team sport and unlike the NBA one player's talent has limited effect on team success w/o a solid supporting roster. A Great GM...Solid HC and coaching with ability to develop players and get roster buy-in with a healthy K1 is the core reason for the positive expectations...Monti and staff are better at getting the right players for their style of play than some give him credit and you hear all the relationships with some of the FA signings with players currently on the roster that PFF ratings do not account for...there are multiple levels of syncing of the players on the roster who mesh well together and a closeness with the members of the roster will have positive effects on the field. Rabbit addition is a whole other level of improvement if he meshes with Budda and Thompson...he fills a role of different play that the two vets do not play. The offense had many improvements as per weapons and depth...the defensive improvements although not as sexy on paper will take a bottom feeder defense respectable and could have an improvement of 15-20 positions compared with the other NFL defenses. Getting into the top 15 defenses would be huge...I could envision a top 10 defense if things role as I expect. The time to work out the kinks of many new additions is the key...2025 should be a lock for a top 10 defense. IMHO
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Post by flash on Jun 30, 2024 9:56:36 GMT -7
This was mentioned in the article:
Now having what he believes could be the best secondary in the NFC West in Budda Baker, Jalen Thompson, Max Melton and Elijah Jones. I am curious how he has Elijah Jones in that group. If anything, I would think that Garrett Williams would be the other CB opposite of Melton. And if not Williams, Bunting I would think be the other option. Both Jones and Williams are 3rd round picks. Williams was selected a little bit higher in the 3rd round. Because Williams has a partial season of experience over Jones a Rookie, I am just wondering. Am I missing something about Jones? Let me know if I am...
I saw some of the college highlights on Jones. He did not seem to have better highlights than what I saw on Williams last season.
Elijah Jones has the most games started in Pitt.'s history and only play from Harlem in the NFL a long CB with a ton of experience..G Williams plays a different role than Melton and Jones...Jones and Melton are outside options and are close friends since being on the team. Jones is well deserving of the mention...just because he wasn't noticed by us fans doesn't lower his value. Melton is also a special pick. G Williams role still remains as a nickel CB with the outside CB additions. A short article and Hunt has solid points that give good evidence of the improvements of the roster...without any mention of the player buy-in under JG. K1 is the key as well as the coaching staff being able to give him support above the improved offensive weapons and improved OL. Some in the national media have commented on K1 never having a mature HC who could do things like preparing OL to slide projection correctly for him as well as the emphasis on the run game and under center and play action. So many changes in 2023 that show the new coaching staff not only believes in him as well as Monti and the actual surrounding K1 and putting him in position to be able to succeed. It goes beyond what us as casual fans take in to account. The best FB player in TX's history although under 6'0"tall is not a little thing...Brees is from TX and not in that conversation...if that gives a little prospective on K1's ability in FB. FB is a team sport and unlike the NBA one player's talent has limited effect on team success w/o a solid supporting roster. A Great GM...Solid HC and coaching with ability to develop players and get roster buy-in with a healthy K1 is the core reason for the positive expectations...Monti and staff are better at getting the right players for their style of play than some give him credit and you hear all the relationships with some of the FA signings with players currently on the roster that PFF ratings do not account for...there are multiple levels of syncing of the players on the roster who mesh well together and a closeness with the members of the roster will have positive effects on the field. Rabbit addition is a whole other level of improvement if he meshes with Budda and Thompson...he fills a role of different play that the two vets do not play. The offense had many improvements as per weapons and depth...the defensive improvements although not as sexy on paper will take a bottom feeder defense respectable and could have an improvement of 15-20 positions compared with the other NFL defenses. Getting into the top 15 defenses would be huge...I could envision a top 10 defense if things role as I expect. The time to work out the kinks of many new additions is the key...2025 should be a lock for a top 10 defense. IMHO Hello Chirp, Well after reading your post to my quote, I decided to research Garrett Williams further. I am going to list some Depth Charts for 2023 and 2024. Sports Illustrated 2023 Depth Chart (Sports Illustrated) On this Depth Chart for 2023 it shows: Antonio Hamilton: LCB Kei'Trel Clark: RCB Garrett Williams: NB I need to point out something at this point. We drafted Garrett in the 3rd round. We drafted Clark in the 6th round. What I am not understanding here is this. Now correct me if I am wrong. A Nickel Back is not a starting CB. A Nickel Back comes into play and could either be an extra CB or an extra Safety...right? And that Nickel Back takes the place of either a LB or a DE...right? In other words, starting CB'S will have a lot more plays than a Nickel Back...am I still on track? So, my question is this...Why would we draft a CB to use as a Nickel Back with our 3rd round pick? In 2022 Byron Murphy was our LCB. We lost him after that season. Shouldn't we have drafted a CB to replace him in the 3rd round of the 2023 draft? That makes no sense to me whatsoever...Instead...from the depth charts I found for 2023...Marco Wilson, Antonio Hamilton or Kei'trel Clark are the starting LCB or RCB...by the way...Clark was a 6th round pick and played as one of the starting CB's...while our 3rd round CB pick was our NB...I am just questioning this now...because I never really look deep enough into how far down the depth chart players are on our team... Here is another depth chart for 2023 Lineups 2023 Depth Chart (LineUps) On this depth chart...Hamilton and Wilson are listed as the LCB and RCB. Garrett Williams is #2 LCB. No mention of Clark on this Depth Chart....my question here is why is Garrett listed as the #2 LCB and not as the NB here? Obviously...there was a NB...it was just not listed. It makes me wonder...was Clark the NB on this Depth Chart? If so, that tells me that could it be possible for either Clark or Garrett to play as the starting LCB or RCB? Now I am really getting confused... I found this on Garrett Wiliams...from what I read and take from it is that he can actually play as a starting LCB or RCB...or is his height of 5'10" what prevents him from being a starting LCB or RCB? He does run a 4.45 40 yard dash. Bye the way, Elijah runs a 4.45 40 yard dash but is taller than Garrett at 6'1". I can't see that height is what holds Garrett back from being one of the starting LCB or RCB because of that. To support my statement...Byron Murphy was 5'11". Byron ran a 4.55 40 dash...slower than Garrett or Elijah... I am starting to wonder if perhaps Garrett did not hold up to what was expected for a 3rd round pick and got demoted to NB... I do have other Depth Charts that I looked at...but I think that what I provided is sufficient to make my point... So in rebuttal to your statement that Elijah has a lot more playing time than Garrett...Byron Murphy had much less time that either of the two...check it out... Byron Murphy College Career (Sports Reference) I only see two years of playing time...am I missing something? Thank you for your post...because it made me dig further into the CB Depth charts and I understand how it works now...so now I am just wondering why Garrett is not one of the starting RCB or LCB Corners or as the #2 RCB or LCB Corners.... Here is some info I found on him: He looks very capable of being either the #2 starting CB or no less than the #3 CB...and that is why I put him above Elijah...
Here are 2 Depth Charts for 2024 ESPN 2024 Depth Chart (ESPN) OurLads 2024 Depth Chart (OurLads) Neither shows Garrett Williams as either a starting LCB OR RCB...nor as one of the Backups to either position... I am starting to think that drafting Garrett with our 3 round pick was a waste...and from what I see in both of those Depth Charts...he will remain a NB...which in my opinion is a waste of a 3rd round pick...I guess I shouldn't have any high expectations for him this season....
I pasted the links for what I found because to post the info on here would have been to time consuming and made this post extremely long...especially for those that use a phone to access this site.
Thanks again for your reply to my post...it was fun digging deeper than I ever have into the CB Corp we have had from 2022, 2023 and 2024.
EDIT: Oh...I also forgot to mention this.....that author of the article did not mention Bunting in his scenario of the best secondary....but yet...Bunting is listed as the #2 CB on the 2024 Depth Charts I listed and Elijah as the #3 or #4 either RCB Backup or LCB Backup...so I still discredit the author of that article....
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Post by MT Diesel on Jun 30, 2024 12:46:36 GMT -7
Elijah Jones has the most games started in Pitt.'s history and only play from Harlem in the NFL a long CB with a ton of experience..G Williams plays a different role than Melton and Jones...Jones and Melton are outside options and are close friends since being on the team. Jones is well deserving of the mention...just because he wasn't noticed by us fans doesn't lower his value. Melton is also a special pick. G Williams role still remains as a nickel CB with the outside CB additions. A short article and Hunt has solid points that give good evidence of the improvements of the roster...without any mention of the player buy-in under JG. K1 is the key as well as the coaching staff being able to give him support above the improved offensive weapons and improved OL. Some in the national media have commented on K1 never having a mature HC who could do things like preparing OL to slide projection correctly for him as well as the emphasis on the run game and under center and play action. So many changes in 2023 that show the new coaching staff not only believes in him as well as Monti and the actual surrounding K1 and putting him in position to be able to succeed. It goes beyond what us as casual fans take in to account. The best FB player in TX's history although under 6'0"tall is not a little thing...Brees is from TX and not in that conversation...if that gives a little prospective on K1's ability in FB. FB is a team sport and unlike the NBA one player's talent has limited effect on team success w/o a solid supporting roster. A Great GM...Solid HC and coaching with ability to develop players and get roster buy-in with a healthy K1 is the core reason for the positive expectations...Monti and staff are better at getting the right players for their style of play than some give him credit and you hear all the relationships with some of the FA signings with players currently on the roster that PFF ratings do not account for...there are multiple levels of syncing of the players on the roster who mesh well together and a closeness with the members of the roster will have positive effects on the field. Rabbit addition is a whole other level of improvement if he meshes with Budda and Thompson...he fills a role of different play that the two vets do not play. The offense had many improvements as per weapons and depth...the defensive improvements although not as sexy on paper will take a bottom feeder defense respectable and could have an improvement of 15-20 positions compared with the other NFL defenses. Getting into the top 15 defenses would be huge...I could envision a top 10 defense if things role as I expect. The time to work out the kinks of many new additions is the key...2025 should be a lock for a top 10 defense. IMHO Hello Chirp, Well after reading your post to my quote, I decided to research Garrett Williams further. I am going to list some Depth Charts for 2023 and 2024. Sports Illustrated 2023 Depth Chart (Sports Illustrated) On this Depth Chart for 2023 it shows: Antonio Hamilton: LCB Kei'Trel Clark: RCB Garrett Williams: NB I need to point out something at this point. We drafted Garrett in the 3rd round. We drafted Clark in the 6th round. What I am not understanding here is this. Now correct me if I am wrong. A Nickel Back is not a starting CB. A Nickel Back comes into play and could either be an extra CB or an extra Safety...right? And that Nickel Back takes the place of either a LB or a DE...right? In other words, starting CB'S will have a lot more plays than a Nickel Back...am I still on track? So, my question is this...Why would we draft a CB to use as a Nickel Back with our 3rd round pick? In 2022 Byron Murphy was our LCB. We lost him after that season. Shouldn't we have drafted a CB to replace him in the 3rd round of the 2023 draft? That makes no sense to me whatsoever...Instead...from the depth charts I found for 2023...Marco Wilson, Antonio Hamilton or Kei'trel Clark are the starting LCB or RCB...by the way...Clark was a 6th round pick and played as one of the starting CB's...while our 3rd round CB pick was our NB...I am just questioning this now...because I never really look deep enough into how far down the depth chart players are on our team... Here is another depth chart for 2023 Lineups 2023 Depth Chart (LineUps) On this depth chart...Hamilton and Wilson are listed as the LCB and RCB. Garrett Williams is #2 LCB. No mention of Clark on this Depth Chart....my question here is why is Garrett listed as the #2 LCB and not as the NB here? Obviously...there was a NB...it was just not listed. It makes me wonder...was Clark the NB on this Depth Chart? If so, that tells me that could it be possible for either Clark or Garrett to play as the starting LCB or RCB? Now I am really getting confused... I found this on Garrett Wiliams...from what I read and take from it is that he can actually play as a starting LCB or RCB...or is his height of 5'10" what prevents him from being a starting LCB or RCB? He does run a 4.45 40 yard dash. Bye the way, Elijah runs a 4.45 40 yard dash but is taller than Garrett at 6'1". I can't see that height is what holds Garrett back from being one of the starting LCB or RCB because of that. To support my statement...Byron Murphy was 5'11". Byron ran a 4.55 40 dash...slower than Garrett or Elijah... I am starting to wonder if perhaps Garrett did not hold up to what was expected for a 3rd round pick and got demoted to NB... I do have other Depth Charts that I looked at...but I think that what I provided is sufficient to make my point... So in rebuttal to your statement that Elijah has a lot more playing time than Garrett...Byron Murphy had much less time that either of the two...check it out... Byron Murphy College Career (Sports Reference) I only see two years of playing time...am I missing something? Thank you for your post...because it made me dig further into the CB Depth charts and I understand how it works now...so now I am just wondering why Garrett is not one of the starting RCB or LCB Corners or as the #2 RCB or LCB Corners.... Here is some info I found on him: He looks very capable of being either the #2 starting CB or no less than the #3 CB...and that is why I put him above Elijah...
Here are 2 Depth Charts for 2024 ESPN 2024 Depth Chart (ESPN) OurLads 2024 Depth Chart (OurLads) Neither shows Garrett Williams as either a starting LCB OR RCB...nor as one of the Backups to either position... I am starting to think that drafting Garrett with our 3 round pick was a waste...and from what I see in both of those Depth Charts...he will remain a NB...which in my opinion is a waste of a 3rd round pick...I guess I shouldn't have any high expectations for him this season....
I pasted the links for what I found because to post the info on here would have been to time consuming and made this post extremely long...especially for those that use a phone to access this site.
Thanks again for your reply to my post...it was fun digging deeper than I ever have into the CB Corp we have had from 2022, 2023 and 2024.
EDIT: Oh...I also forgot to mention this.....that author of the article did not mention Bunting in his scenario of the best secondary....but yet...Bunting is listed as the #2 CB on the 2024 Depth Charts I listed and Elijah as the #3 or #4 either RCB Backup or LCB Backup...so I still discredit the author of that article.... As always Flash I appreciate your research and I enjoy your ability to be humble and a caring fan's approach. Personally I am not an expert, I have a love of FB and many hours and days playing and more as a fan for decades. From my viewpoint...do not get hung up on who are starters or lack of NCB be listed on a depth chart. Keep in mind the lack of the defensive philosophy JG and Rallis run is not stuck on being a 4-3 or 3-4 or like in AZ's recent past of an attacking 3-4. Also, they preach versatility. First in their system they like to have players with ability to play different positions and play multiple roles in a game. It confuses the offense from identifying who is doing what. A common audible on offense heard in games is the QB identifying the "Mike" or Mike LB...he is usually free to rush or cover and even the OL will point out who is the Mike. QBs who can identify the role of the defenders by their pre-snap alignment the better they can attack. In normal base alignment 3-4 or 4-3 they total 7, 11-7=4...so 4 DBs are in base defense. If you drop a DL player or LB you have 5 DBs on defense, 5 as per coins are nickels...drop 2 (LB or DL) you have six DBs in formation there is no coin for 6 so someone used dime to identify six DBs in formation...if an offense starts a game with 4-5 WRs...no matter what the depth chart says the defense will be in a Nickel or Dime formation to have enough proper coverage players to match the number of WRs. A side point on coverage for instance cover 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 , 8, and 9. 2-4 are usually a scheme across the field and later overages may be a hybrid of overages...like cover 6...cover 2 on one half and cover 3 on the other half. You can also have man on part of the offense with zone on the rest of shading of defenders who may appear adding extra emphasis, but can also work away from an initial area of coverage. In short JG and Rallis want players who are DBs who can be interchangeable between S or CB for a variety of reasons. In general the 3rd CB or Nickel works inside on slot WRs and TEs the #1 CB plays a WR lined up on the outside..thus #1 CB and #2 CB are aligned on the outside and Nickel is inside...Murphy was actually a better Nickel CB who was forced to play outside most of his career due to need. Honey badger was a S who excelled at Nickel and wanted CB money on his new contract, not S money, because CB money pays more and he played nickel the majority of his Card career. So moral of the story a depth chart gives a specific position, but may not indicate the actual role of a player or the actual amount of play time...don't get caught up on how players are listed and the defensive coordinators want to confuse or hide the actual role of individual players. It is safe to say Bunting, Melton and E. Jones are outside CBs and the safeties as well as G Williams are Nickel CBs as well as Clark and the defense will play games off those initial positions or individual players. In 2023 Thompson played as much Nickel as any player for the Cards. Even OLBs can drop into coverage and play the Nickel position...Collins is as dangerous when he drops into coverage as when he rushes the QB...diversity and disguising of individual players role is the key as well as playing games in those roles from play to play. IF you want a great look at confusing QBs by disguising defenders look on YouTube when the Ravens played defense against the Niners in 2023...Seattle's new HC was the Ravens DC and he worked over Kyle's offense and Purdy by disguising how they were defending. I hope this helps Flash.
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Post by flash on Jul 3, 2024 18:45:31 GMT -7
Hello Chirp, Well after reading your post to my quote, I decided to research Garrett Williams further. I am going to list some Depth Charts for 2023 and 2024. Sports Illustrated 2023 Depth Chart (Sports Illustrated) On this Depth Chart for 2023 it shows: Antonio Hamilton: LCB Kei'Trel Clark: RCB Garrett Williams: NB I need to point out something at this point. We drafted Garrett in the 3rd round. We drafted Clark in the 6th round. What I am not understanding here is this. Now correct me if I am wrong. A Nickel Back is not a starting CB. A Nickel Back comes into play and could either be an extra CB or an extra Safety...right? And that Nickel Back takes the place of either a LB or a DE...right? In other words, starting CB'S will have a lot more plays than a Nickel Back...am I still on track? So, my question is this...Why would we draft a CB to use as a Nickel Back with our 3rd round pick? In 2022 Byron Murphy was our LCB. We lost him after that season. Shouldn't we have drafted a CB to replace him in the 3rd round of the 2023 draft? That makes no sense to me whatsoever...Instead...from the depth charts I found for 2023...Marco Wilson, Antonio Hamilton or Kei'trel Clark are the starting LCB or RCB...by the way...Clark was a 6th round pick and played as one of the starting CB's...while our 3rd round CB pick was our NB...I am just questioning this now...because I never really look deep enough into how far down the depth chart players are on our team... Here is another depth chart for 2023 Lineups 2023 Depth Chart (LineUps) On this depth chart...Hamilton and Wilson are listed as the LCB and RCB. Garrett Williams is #2 LCB. No mention of Clark on this Depth Chart....my question here is why is Garrett listed as the #2 LCB and not as the NB here? Obviously...there was a NB...it was just not listed. It makes me wonder...was Clark the NB on this Depth Chart? If so, that tells me that could it be possible for either Clark or Garrett to play as the starting LCB or RCB? Now I am really getting confused... I found this on Garrett Wiliams...from what I read and take from it is that he can actually play as a starting LCB or RCB...or is his height of 5'10" what prevents him from being a starting LCB or RCB? He does run a 4.45 40 yard dash. Bye the way, Elijah runs a 4.45 40 yard dash but is taller than Garrett at 6'1". I can't see that height is what holds Garrett back from being one of the starting LCB or RCB because of that. To support my statement...Byron Murphy was 5'11". Byron ran a 4.55 40 dash...slower than Garrett or Elijah... I am starting to wonder if perhaps Garrett did not hold up to what was expected for a 3rd round pick and got demoted to NB... I do have other Depth Charts that I looked at...but I think that what I provided is sufficient to make my point... So in rebuttal to your statement that Elijah has a lot more playing time than Garrett...Byron Murphy had much less time that either of the two...check it out... Byron Murphy College Career (Sports Reference) I only see two years of playing time...am I missing something? Thank you for your post...because it made me dig further into the CB Depth charts and I understand how it works now...so now I am just wondering why Garrett is not one of the starting RCB or LCB Corners or as the #2 RCB or LCB Corners.... Here is some info I found on him: He looks very capable of being either the #2 starting CB or no less than the #3 CB...and that is why I put him above Elijah...
Here are 2 Depth Charts for 2024 ESPN 2024 Depth Chart (ESPN) OurLads 2024 Depth Chart (OurLads) Neither shows Garrett Williams as either a starting LCB OR RCB...nor as one of the Backups to either position... I am starting to think that drafting Garrett with our 3 round pick was a waste...and from what I see in both of those Depth Charts...he will remain a NB...which in my opinion is a waste of a 3rd round pick...I guess I shouldn't have any high expectations for him this season....
I pasted the links for what I found because to post the info on here would have been to time consuming and made this post extremely long...especially for those that use a phone to access this site.
Thanks again for your reply to my post...it was fun digging deeper than I ever have into the CB Corp we have had from 2022, 2023 and 2024.
EDIT: Oh...I also forgot to mention this.....that author of the article did not mention Bunting in his scenario of the best secondary....but yet...Bunting is listed as the #2 CB on the 2024 Depth Charts I listed and Elijah as the #3 or #4 either RCB Backup or LCB Backup...so I still discredit the author of that article.... As always Flash I appreciate your research and I enjoy your ability to be humble and a caring fan's approach. Personally I am not an expert, I have a love of FB and many hours and days playing and more as a fan for decades. From my viewpoint...do not get hung up on who are starters or lack of NCB be listed on a depth chart. Keep in mind the lack of the defensive philosophy JG and Rallis run is not stuck on being a 4-3 or 3-4 or like in AZ's recent past of an attacking 3-4. Also, they preach versatility. First in their system they like to have players with ability to play different positions and play multiple roles in a game. It confuses the offense from identifying who is doing what. A common audible on offense heard in games is the QB identifying the "Mike" or Mike LB...he is usually free to rush or cover and even the OL will point out who is the Mike. QBs who can identify the role of the defenders by their pre-snap alignment the better they can attack. In normal base alignment 3-4 or 4-3 they total 7, 11-7=4...so 4 DBs are in base defense. If you drop a DL player or LB you have 5 DBs on defense, 5 as per coins are nickels...drop 2 (LB or DL) you have six DBs in formation there is no coin for 6 so someone used dime to identify six DBs in formation...if an offense starts a game with 4-5 WRs...no matter what the depth chart says the defense will be in a Nickel or Dime formation to have enough proper coverage players to match the number of WRs. A side point on coverage for instance cover 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 , 8, and 9. 2-4 are usually a scheme across the field and later overages may be a hybrid of overages...like cover 6...cover 2 on one half and cover 3 on the other half. You can also have man on part of the offense with zone on the rest of shading of defenders who may appear adding extra emphasis, but can also work away from an initial area of coverage. In short JG and Rallis want players who are DBs who can be interchangeable between S or CB for a variety of reasons. In general the 3rd CB or Nickel works inside on slot WRs and TEs the #1 CB plays a WR lined up on the outside..thus #1 CB and #2 CB are aligned on the outside and Nickel is inside...Murphy was actually a better Nickel CB who was forced to play outside most of his career due to need. Honey badger was a S who excelled at Nickel and wanted CB money on his new contract, not S money, because CB money pays more and he played nickel the majority of his Card career. So moral of the story a depth chart gives a specific position, but may not indicate the actual role of a player or the actual amount of play time...don't get caught up on how players are listed and the defensive coordinators want to confuse or hide the actual role of individual players. It is safe to say Bunting, Melton and E. Jones are outside CBs and the safeties as well as G Williams are Nickel CBs as well as Clark and the defense will play games off those initial positions or individual players. In 2023 Thompson played as much Nickel as any player for the Cards. Even OLBs can drop into coverage and play the Nickel position...Collins is as dangerous when he drops into coverage as when he rushes the QB...diversity and disguising of individual players role is the key as well as playing games in those roles from play to play. IF you want a great look at confusing QBs by disguising defenders look on YouTube when the Ravens played defense against the Niners in 2023...Seattle's new HC was the Ravens DC and he worked over Kyle's offense and Purdy by disguising how they were defending. I hope this helps Flash. Thanks for your post Chirp...
As I mentioned...I really have not ever paid attention to depth charts of our players...I was just surprised that Garrett was taken in the 3rd round and is listed as a NB... This is the article I had read before your post...it sort of made things more clear to me... The Nickel Back
It aligned with what you posted...
Thanks again for your post...I would have got back sooner...but I have a lot on my plate right now...
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Post by CardCore on Jul 4, 2024 7:16:42 GMT -7
On several occasions I have read Mitch at ROTBs cry about how IN THE NFCW, the Cards repeatedly get RIPPED over the middle, between the hashmarks by all of the divisional rivals, with WRs ala Cooper Kupp. He repeatedly begged to see the Cards draft or sign a fast, quick, shifty, sticky DB that could change the dynamic. Enter: MO, Sears, and JG. With JG being a DB specialist, you know he was all over that issue. I would not be surprised to see DTD (Rabbit) get in on the action to help terminate the problem...or at least reduce it. It really is a major key for the Cards to increase their Ws in the NFCW.
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Post by BigRedFan on Jul 4, 2024 17:25:24 GMT -7
I see the Cardinals being relevant, if healthy at all key positions, thru at least Thanksgiving in the NFC wildcard picture. Teams that the Arizona Cardinals are as good as or better in the NFC, IMHO, are:
Cardinals = Seahawks, Falcons, Vikings, Bucs Cardinals > Saints, Panthers, Bears, Commanders, Giants
I liked what I saw overall when K1 returned for the last 8 weeks. I believe he's turned the corner as far as maturity and willingness to be coached as an NFL franchise QB. This season will be telling for sure.
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