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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 28, 2024 12:21:53 GMT -7
What did you think of our selections?
How did you do vs the actual draft?
Who were reaches?
Who was your favorite pick?
Who was the Best Value Pick?
Who Fits The Cardinals best?
What disappointed you?
Where are any holes left on the roster?
Give the team Your Draft Grade?
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Post by End Zone on Apr 28, 2024 12:30:55 GMT -7
Selections: Ok. I think the 2nd Rd trade-down was a mistake, costing us a fantastic player between 35 and 43. My draft board: I didn't have one. Reaches: Adams. Favorite: Harrison. Best value: Benson. Fit: All of them. Disappointments: (misses) DeJean, Rice, Schrader. Holes: Kicker ... think about it ... the Kicker is involved in almost every score, except a Safety (2pts) ... how many games will our Kicker cost us in 2024? 1 is too many. Grade: Solid A. The LS and WR signings from UDFA list were positives as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 12:49:28 GMT -7
Way too early to give a grade. I can say worst draft in Cardinals history. Im not right or wrong, at this point.
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Post by supercard on Apr 28, 2024 13:28:23 GMT -7
A grade, what Monti did was look at each “Room” starting with rooms of greatest need. He was looking to either upgrade the room or double down with solid backups. He played their board with his check the boxes players. He did a masterful job of doing this. Must remember that his board was different in various ways from others. There was a weight factor of talent, character, football “dog”. So, a “reach” to some may have been spot on to Monti for what they need for skills and culture. Building his house brick by brick. Take the Tip Reiman pick, this was really hated on Cards Podcast. TE that doesn’t catch the ball all that well?? For Cardinals fans that think because we have MHJ we are going Air Cardinals-FORGET IT. This will be like it was last year one of best rushing attacks and ball control teams. MHJ allows the play action passes with occasional deep shots to be a deadly threat. Both real and just threat.
Now back to TE pick hating- Cards lost their blocking TE in FA. Huge need in that room, Tip is a savage blocker. Also he didn’t allow a single sack last year in pass protection schemes. He fits the run heavy scheme of offense, violent mindset. That’s why he is Peter Schrager’s favorite player in this draft. This is Ron Wolfley reincarnated so to speak.
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 28, 2024 14:08:13 GMT -7
Selections: Ok. I think the 2nd Rd trade-down was a mistake, costing us a fantastic player between 35 and 43. My draft board: I didn't have one. Reaches: Adams. Favorite: Harrison. Best value: Benson. Fit: All of them. Disappointments: (misses) DeJean, Rice, Schrader. Holes: Kicker ... think about it ... the Kicker is involved in almost every score, except a Safety (2pts) ... how many games will our Kicker cost us in 2024? 1 is too many. Grade: Solid A. The LS and WR signings from UDFA list were positives as well. My grade: B (or incomplete) Its hare to give a grade on most of our CB picks on my end - I didn't really research these guys beyond Melton. Looks like they all have athletic upside though. Reaches: Robinson, Adams. Favorite: MHJ Best Value: Benson, Jones Disappointments: I would have probably taken DeJean instead of trading down, and hoped to still land Melton later. I would have probably taken Newton over Robinson as well, but I get that the injury factored in. Robinson is still solid, and I've actually mocked him many times, but I just like Newton more. I'm not a huge fan of the Adams pick - he allowed way too many sacks last year; I'm willing to be wrong about him though. I actually hope that I am actually.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 28, 2024 14:55:31 GMT -7
Selections: Ok. I think the 2nd Rd trade-down was a mistake, costing us a fantastic player between 35 and 43. My draft board: I didn't have one. Reaches: Adams. Favorite: Harrison. Best value: Benson. Fit: All of them. Disappointments: (misses) DeJean, Rice, Schrader. Holes: Kicker ... think about it ... the Kicker is involved in almost every score, except a Safety (2pts) ... how many games will our Kicker cost us in 2024? 1 is too many. Grade: Solid A. The LS and WR signings from UDFA list were positives as well. My grade: B (or incomplete) Its hare to give a grade on most of our CB picks on my end - I didn't really research these guys beyond Melton. Looks like they all have athletic upside though. Reaches: Robinson, Adams. Favorite: MHJ Best Value: Benson, Jones Disappointments: I would have probably taken DeJean instead of trading down, and hoped to still land Melton later. I would have probably taken Newton over Robinson as well, but I get that the injury factored in. Robinson is still solid, and I've actually mocked him many times, but I just like Newton more. I'm not a huge fan of the Adams pick - he allowed way too many sacks last year; I'm willing to be wrong about him though. I actually hope that I am actually. "he allowed way too many sacks last year;" You said 9 right? That is a lot in college ball
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Post by belac44 on Apr 28, 2024 15:35:35 GMT -7
Selections: Ok. I think the 2nd Rd trade-down was a mistake, costing us a fantastic player between 35 and 43. My draft board: I didn't have one. Reaches: Adams. Favorite: Harrison. Best value: Benson. Fit: All of them. Disappointments: (misses) DeJean, Rice, Schrader. Holes: Kicker ... think about it ... the Kicker is involved in almost every score, except a Safety (2pts) ... how many games will our Kicker cost us in 2024? 1 is too many. Grade: Solid A. The LS and WR signings from UDFA list were positives as well. My grade: B (or incomplete) Its hare to give a grade on most of our CB picks on my end - I didn't really research these guys beyond Melton. Looks like they all have athletic upside though. Reaches: Robinson, Adams. Favorite: MHJ Best Value: Benson, Jones Disappointments: I would have probably taken DeJean instead of trading down, and hoped to still land Melton later. I would have probably taken Newton over Robinson as well, but I get that the injury factored in. Robinson is still solid, and I've actually mocked him many times, but I just like Newton more. I'm not a huge fan of the Adams pick - he allowed way too many sacks last year; I'm willing to be wrong about him though. I actually hope that I am actually. My grade: B (or incomplete) Its hare to give a grade on most of our CB picks on my end - I didn't really research these guys beyond Melton. Looks like they all have athletic upside though. Reaches: Robinson, Adams. Favorite: MHJ Best Value: Benson, Jones Disappointments: I would have probably taken DeJean instead of trading down, and hoped to still land Melton later. I would have probably taken Newton over Robinson as well, but I get that the injury factored in. Robinson is still solid, and I've actually mocked him many times, but I just like Newton more. I'm not a huge fan of the Adams pick - he allowed way too many sacks last year; I'm willing to be wrong about him though. I actually hope that I am actually. "he allowed way too many sacks last year;" You said 9 right? That is a lot in college ball In Adams defense, he was playing RT out of necessity and did much better at LG the year before, which is intended use with Cards. By all accounts he is just built for and better inside. Cards OL coach has experience with him and while I love Beebe and Haynes, I will just trust that he is the better fit and hope they are right. Passing on DeJean hurt my soul a bit, but I truly do like and wanted Melton as well. I just knew he would go between 35 and 66, so unless something happened (it did) then he was not going to be an option. If Melton and Adams ball out then it will be a good deal because that is who we got with the extra pick. It is not just Melton vs DeJean. I do think DeJean could be a star, we shall see.
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Post by LD14 on Apr 28, 2024 16:04:33 GMT -7
Value: MHJ and Benson. We did the right thing and didn’t pass on the HOFs son. Benson is a good starter next year.
I like that Texas Tech Safety in the fourth too. About time we get a center fielder with high speed.
Reach: Adams and Reiman went a lot sooner than most boards out there. They were system picks. Considering that the new system is that we’re going to run the ball ALOT, I’m not too upset.
Hate: passing on Dejean and Koolaid. Both are heavily different players for the scheme that Melton will be a part of but both were viewed to be higher on other boards. DeJean could of been a terrific Budda replacement.
12 picks selected this year. This is now Montis team and a true roster reset. Give it about 1-2 years to see how it pans out. I’m a fan of what we did, just not 100% on board with the picks selected.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 28, 2024 16:25:44 GMT -7
Selections: Ok. I think the 2nd Rd trade-down was a mistake, costing us a fantastic player between 35 and 43. My draft board: I didn't have one. Reaches: Adams. Favorite: Harrison. Best value: Benson. Fit: All of them. Disappointments: (misses) DeJean, Rice, Schrader. Holes: Kicker ... think about it ... the Kicker is involved in almost every score, except a Safety (2pts) ... how many games will our Kicker cost us in 2024? 1 is too many. Grade: Solid A. The LS and WR signings from UDFA list were positives as well. My grade: B (or incomplete) Its hare to give a grade on most of our CB picks on my end - I didn't really research these guys beyond Melton. Looks like they all have athletic upside though. Reaches: Robinson, Adams. Favorite: MHJ Best Value: Benson, Jones Disappointments: I would have probably taken DeJean instead of trading down, and hoped to still land Melton later. I would have probably taken Newton over Robinson as well, but I get that the injury factored in. Robinson is still solid, and I've actually mocked him many times, but I just like Newton more. I'm not a huge fan of the Adams pick - he allowed way too many sacks last year; I'm willing to be wrong about him though. I actually hope that I am actually. Adams played out of position last year. That's why the Cardinals held their noses about the 9 sacks. I bet Adams learned something. Failure makes a man wiser, most times.
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 28, 2024 16:28:18 GMT -7
My grade: B (or incomplete) Its hare to give a grade on most of our CB picks on my end - I didn't really research these guys beyond Melton. Looks like they all have athletic upside though. Reaches: Robinson, Adams. Favorite: MHJ Best Value: Benson, Jones Disappointments: I would have probably taken DeJean instead of trading down, and hoped to still land Melton later. I would have probably taken Newton over Robinson as well, but I get that the injury factored in. Robinson is still solid, and I've actually mocked him many times, but I just like Newton more. I'm not a huge fan of the Adams pick - he allowed way too many sacks last year; I'm willing to be wrong about him though. I actually hope that I am actually. Adams played out of position last year. That's why the Cardinals held their noses about the 9 sacks. I bet Adams learned something. Failure makes a man wiser, most times. He gave up 4 the year before too. I guess he looked good at the Senior Bowl, but I'm not convinced that he will be good, or even average. He has a fighting chance though.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 28, 2024 16:28:58 GMT -7
A grade, what Monti did was look at each “Room” starting with rooms of greatest need. He was looking to either upgrade the room or double down with solid backups. He played their board with his check the boxes players. He did a masterful job of doing this. Must remember that his board was different in various ways from others. There was a weight factor of talent, character, football “dog”. So, a “reach” to some may have been spot on to Monti for what they need for skills and culture. Building his house brick by brick. Take the Tip Reiman pick, this was really hated on Cards Podcast. TE that doesn’t catch the ball all that well?? For Cardinals fans that think because we have MHJ we are going Air Cardinals-FORGET IT. This will be like it was last year one of best rushing attacks and ball control teams. MHJ allows the play action passes with occasional deep shots to be a deadly threat. Both real and just threat. Now back to TE pick hating- Cards lost their blocking TE in FA. Huge need in that room, Tip is a savage blocker. Also he didn’t allow a single sack last year in pass protection schemes. He fits the run heavy scheme of offense, violent mindset. That’s why he is Peter Schrager’s favorite player in this draft. This is Ron Wolfley reincarnated so to speak. Reiman is huge! A 180-190 lb DB will run away from a 275 lb TE blocking for a RB.
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Post by aris on Apr 28, 2024 17:08:20 GMT -7
Cant wait for training camp to hear how our 6th round pick (sub any number of rookies here) is playing lights out and then shyts the bed when the lights come on.
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Post by cbltv on Apr 28, 2024 17:57:13 GMT -7
If anyone thinks all 12 will make the team they are dreaming. But with 12 picks getting 2-3 Staters and 3-4 backup/special team players, it will have been a Good draft.
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Post by CardCore on Apr 28, 2024 19:39:48 GMT -7
Mostly just random thoughts: In the 3rd rd at pick 66 the team took Trey Benson as the 2nd RB taken in the entire draft. I would venture that was EXACTLY who they wanted from prior to the draft and they did NOT want him going elsewhere. He looks to be an awesome RB to spell James Conner and help incorporate the run heavy scheme they want to implement.. (IMO of course). I would also submit that Tip Reiman received the same careful treatment due to very similar reasons. This guy should be like Mad Max on steroids as far as jumbo packages, run AND pass blocking and I assume will be a key aspect of the new O identity. Zirlein over at NFL.com had a higher opinion of S. Dadrion Taylor Demerson (who he ranked at 6.28) than CB Max Melton (who he ranked at 6.24). The team wanted them both, but wanted CB the most so took MM in round 2 and came back to snag DTD over SIXTY picks later.😳 Speaking of Zirlein, he seems to be getting hard assed with his assessments. Back in the year we took Isaiah Simmons, he was a blue chip prospect that ranked above 7 On the grading scale, along with about a half dozen other prospects. This year he had exactly ZERO guys that rated a 7. I don't think there was even a 6.9.... I think our first 4 picks will be seeing game action early in the season and maybe Tip as well. Is that his real name, or a nickname? It reminds me of a t shirt I saw with a picture of a rifle cartidge on the front. Right under the projectile it said,"Just the tip. I promise". 🤣 Edit: I will say by game 10 or thereabouts, 6 or 7 of these picks will be seeing regular playing time. I know! That's crazy! Time will tell.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Apr 28, 2024 21:02:27 GMT -7
What did you think of our selections? We had 4-5 good picks but a lot of mediocre players and reaches, and drafted too many defensive backs. Overall, disappointed. Have no idea how this draft was given an A by the experts. Then again, they gave last years draft an A too and we can see it clearly wasn't a great draft.
Who were reaches? Melton, Adamns, Reiman, Jones, Taylor-Demerson
Who was your favorite pick? Marvin Harrison Jr.
Who was the Best Value Pick? Christian Jones
Who Fits The Cardinals best? Marvin Harrison Jr.
What disappointed you? Trading down in the second round and missing on Dejean (Huge Miss!) Too many defensive backs and that too mediocre ones. Didn't do enough to bolster the offensive line. Didn't do enough to boost the Defensive Tackle position.
Where are any holes left on the roster? Yes, several! No Center, No Defensive Tackle (someone who can play inside and stop the run), No Offensive Guard
Give the team Your Draft Grade? B- MHJ, Darius Robinson, Trey Benson, XavierThomas, and Christian Jones were good picks! Rest were mediocre players who were reaches. Too much emphasis on the secondary and didn't draft players from reputable programs who faced good competition in college
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