melgray85
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Post by melgray85 on Apr 27, 2024 17:49:40 GMT -7
IMO this draft effort by MO covered all three phases......BPA, Position Needs, and Depth. What a difference in approach from Kiem. Hopefully all the players involved will live up to what's expected of them, starters and back ups alike.
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 27, 2024 18:34:57 GMT -7
Pretty cool link. Mathbomb ranks the draft classes by athleticism. We did pretty good.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 27, 2024 20:18:08 GMT -7
That’s a lot of green. Analytics seemed to have a big part in our evaluation, along with character and love of the game. But “tape don’t lie” makes me a little nervous about a few of our picks.
MHJ is of course an “A” pick. I like the Robinson, Benson and Melton picks. The other CB’s we shall see. The S has good tape but is small for a S. The TE was obviously picked as an old school TE and his tape looks great as a blocker, and I was even impressed by the tape of the little pass catching he does have. It might be a bigger part of his game in the future?
My only negatives in this draft was 1) I don’t really get the guard pick and 2) seemed like we reached by a round in several spots.
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Post by JAB on Apr 27, 2024 20:23:55 GMT -7
That’s a lot of green. Analytics seemed to have a big part in our evaluation, along with character and love of the game. But “tape don’t lie” makes me a little nervous about a few of our picks. MHJ is of course an “A” pick. I like the Robinson, Benson and Melton picks. The other CB’s we shall see. The S has good tape but is small for a S. The TE was obviously picked as an old school TE and his tape looks great as a blocker, and I was even impressed by the tape of the little pass catching he does have. It might be a bigger part of his game in the future? My only negatives in this draft was 1) I don’t really get the guard pick and 2) seemed like we reached by a round in several spots. A lot of people hating on our guard selection. I'm never the guy that says the so-called talking heads know what they're talking about but they say we had a great draft and they believe that guard is going to be pro bowler so were the words coming out of their mouths.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 27, 2024 20:30:13 GMT -7
That’s a lot of green. Analytics seemed to have a big part in our evaluation, along with character and love of the game. But “tape don’t lie” makes me a little nervous about a few of our picks. MHJ is of course an “A” pick. I like the Robinson, Benson and Melton picks. The other CB’s we shall see. The S has good tape but is small for a S. The TE was obviously picked as an old school TE and his tape looks great as a blocker, and I was even impressed by the tape of the little pass catching he does have. It might be a bigger part of his game in the future? My only negatives in this draft was 1) I don’t really get the guard pick and 2) seemed like we reached by a round in several spots. A lot of people hating on our guard selection. I'm never the guy that says the so-called talking heads know what they're talking about but they say we had a great draft and they believe that guard is going to be pro bowler so were the words coming out of their mouths. I hope so. Seems the pick was heavily influenced by one of our coaches working with him for a week.
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 28, 2024 3:45:49 GMT -7
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Post by End Zone on Apr 28, 2024 3:54:09 GMT -7
A lot of people hating on our guard selection. I'm never the guy that says the so-called talking heads know what they're talking about but they say we had a great draft and they believe that guard is going to be pro bowler so were the words coming out of their mouths. I hope so. Seems the pick was heavily influenced by one of our coaches working with him for a week. G Isaiah Adams Overview Canadian import with junior college background who settled in as a two-year starter and 2023 team captain at Illinois. Adams' 2022 guard tape is important, as he's likely to end up back at guard after a season at right tackle in 2023. He's thick but athletic, with the ability to lead the action as a pulling blocker or finish drive blocks with authority when unlocking his power. The hands and feet lack cohesion, which sometimes plays into his problems with fitting up and staying connected to base blocks. Adams has the physical qualities to become better in protection, but his inability to protect his edges is a major concern. There are traits and talent for cultivation, but more development is needed. Strengths Possesses an enticing blend of girth and athleticism. Able to get out of his stance and into pulling blocks with quickness. Uses decent hand placement to help reinforce his natural strength. Caves wash-down blocks on inside zone. Displays the force and attitude teams look for as a block finisher. Flashes some "dancing bear" tendencies with his mirror in pass pro. Weaknesses Has a hard time keeping blocks centered with footwork and positioning. Slow to process assignment adjustments against moving fronts. Hands and feet are still too disjointed getting into run blocks. Lacks a direct punch to create early advantage in protection. Fails to use his length effectively, creating soft edges. The Adam's pick also puzzles me when 'more developed' OLinemen were on the Board when he was picked. Perhaps the Adam's supporter on the Cardinals coaching staff thinks Adam's flaws are fixable with some guidance and hard work. Adams has the right body type for the job. His body cannot be changed by coaches. His brain can be trained.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 28, 2024 4:02:48 GMT -7
www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/nfl-draft-grades-analysis-draft-capital-2024/This discussion centers on safe picks versus reach picks. The Cardinals had 12 picks in the Draft. According to this analysis, the Cardinals GM and HC 'reached' on the bulk of player selections beginning with the 4th pick through the 12th pick. Everybody has their Draft Boards. Everybody uses different processes to grade and then rank the players. It appears that the Cardinals accept that the bulk of the selected players need to be developed.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 28, 2024 4:54:35 GMT -7
My synopsis of the 2024 draft is the Cardinals had a lot of needs and thank goodness they had a lot of picks to fill those needs. I do see where Chad Reuter at NFL.com gave the Cardinals draft an A-.
My biggest beef and I am hoping that if Monti had to do it all over again, he would have waited 50 picks or so to draft TE Reiman who went #82. Reiman most assuredly will make the team as it is obvious Petzing wants to run zone scheme with counters, play action - Reiman will replace Swain on the 53 man roster.
The reason for the above is about 24 hrs before the draft in the 3rd round I put up my dream draft which included Edge Jonah Ellis at #71 (he went #76 to the Broncos) and then I wanted another receiver at #90. Monti's trade got Reiman at #82 where he could have drafted the perfect complement WR's in either Roman Wilson (Michigan) or McMillan (Washington). So with pick #90 I would have been fine with Elijah Jones CB. Monti got the extra 3rd rounder but just imagine a 3rd round where Cards would have the following on the roster: RB Benson - Edge Ellis - WR - McMillan or Wilson and CB Jones ?? Monti then could have used pick # 138 to get TE Reinman who most likely would have been there or else Monti could have used the 6th or 7th rounder spent on guys who probably won't make the 53 man roster to move up 10-12 spots and draft Reiman.
So going forward because in real time the Ellis and then one of the WR's above would have been available, I am going to see how my sleeper Jonah Ellis does vs. Xavier Thomas and how these 2 receivers mentioned above perform for their teams. I know those looking at the above will point out - hey, you didn't leave a spot open to draft Isaiah Adams. Well during the whole pre-draft process I had listed my target for RB as J. Wright (TN) at top of 4th round (he went 4th RD - 20th pick to Dolphins) so he would have been there. Cards at #66 needing IOL help could have Brandon Coleman G (TCU) and of course either Adams or Beebe. So in my draft scenario I would have swapped Wright for Benson but picked up WR's Roman Wilson or McMillan.
The above would have meant the Safety would have been left out, however I would have drafted Beade (Maryland) in the 6th or 7th round rather than the 2 players the Cards drafted whom I believe would have not been drafted by other teams.
So IMO the key to the 2024 Cardinal draft which overall was a good draft but it can't be an A draft unless Xavier Thomas is able to return to his form which made him a Freshman All-American at Clemson as the 3rd highest recruit out of high school. We will see in the next 2-3 yrs how Thomas production vs. Jonah Ellis develops.
BTW: Bleacher Report on Adams (they had him #68 overall) - At LG, I think Adams will be a good player as his 2023 tape would have shown 10 or his 12 games at his non-natural position of RT. ESPN Louis Riddick had effusive praise for Adams ("future Pro Bowler") as a guard and did view him vs. DL in Mobile.
Isaiah Adams is a two-year starter inside Illinois' balanced (51-49 pass-run split), RPO/play-action heavy, zone-based run scheme with counter, power and duo runs sprinkled in. He has a tall, long, thick-limbed build with solid athletic ability and good play strength.
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Post by supercard on Apr 28, 2024 5:26:07 GMT -7
IMO, X Thomas is ready to explode. People will ask who was that Masked Man.
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Post by Boomer on Apr 28, 2024 5:40:10 GMT -7
Reaching for players when you have 12 picks doesn't really seem to be as much an issue to me. From what I am reading, taking someone 5-10 spots ahead of where they were projected yet seem to be a good fit for our club makes more sense then waiting and hoping they are there later or taking someone that you don't value as much because the player you should have reached for is off the board.
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Post by supercard on Apr 28, 2024 6:19:45 GMT -7
Reaching for players when you have 12 picks doesn't really seem to be as much an issue to me. From what I am reading, taking someone 5-10 spots ahead of where they were projected yet seem to be a good fit for our club makes more sense then waiting and hoping they are there later or taking someone that you don't value as much because the player you should have reached for is off the board. This. First, it’s not Kiper’s board or anyone’s board but the Cardinals. It’s their own unique board that combines the skills, and players fit with the new culture. Second round is perfect example of this. Let two corners that were ranked on national boards higher then Max go by. But, got the corner that fit Cardinals plus extra pick.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 28, 2024 6:29:33 GMT -7
IMO, X Thomas is ready to explode. People will ask who was that Masked Man. I am rooting for it to happen because Edge Rushers are one of the most important if not the most important player on defense. It would be quite a coup for the Cardinals to have done a "deep dive" on him as he was a late Top 30 visit and for him to perform up to capabilities Sounds like Monti and JG liked what Xavier had to say during that visit. He needs to be ready to go for camp because at his age (he will be 25 yrs old in December - so before end of season) because even if he plays well, most likely he would get only a 2 yr deal on any 2nd contract.
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melgray85
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Post by melgray85 on Apr 28, 2024 10:22:43 GMT -7
Can't help but notice that certain individuals so critical of the last draft are totally silent on this one.
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melgray85
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Post by melgray85 on Apr 28, 2024 10:26:36 GMT -7
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