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Post by flash on Apr 11, 2024 17:40:24 GMT -7
NO TRADE...
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 11, 2024 17:45:59 GMT -7
How about THREE (3) Day One trades by wheeler-dealer Monti -1) Trade #4 for Vikings #11, #23 & 2025 1st Rounder 2) Trade the former Vikes pick #11 along with pick #90 (I was surprised this fits the trade chart) to go up 3 spots to the Falcons at #8. I believe the Falcons like both Dallas Turner and Jared Verse so their objective is they then get Verse at #11 while picking up a 3rd rounder. AZ PICK @ #8: Rome Odunze WR, Washington3) Now for a trade that makes sense for both teams that I haven't seen - Raiders want a QB but don't have the draft capital to move up from #12, however they see Penix on the Board at #27. TRADE: Cardinals trade down with Raiders (#27) and pick up picks #44 AND #70 (On Draft Value Chart this is pick # 27 (680) for picks #44 - #70 (480+205 = 685). Because it is for a QB - Monti also requests and receives a 2025 4th rounder !! SO -- at end of Day 1 and projecting into Day #2, this is the haul which Monti could get [SEVEN out of the top 71 picks in a loaded 2024 draft]:#8 - Rome Odunze WR, Washington #23 - DL (one of these top 2 DL's fall to this spot) - so either Byron Murphy, Jr. or J. Newton !! #35 - Edge Chop Robinson, Penn State #44 - Ennis Rakestraw, CB, Missouri. #66 - Cooper Beebe, Guard, Kansas State #70 - Double up on HUSKIES - Ja’Lynn Polk, WR, Washington. #71 - Safety Cole Bishop, Utah (Budda replacement going forward) #104 (4th Rd) - RB Jaylen Wright, TN or maybe Monti wants go 3x Huskies - Dillon Johnson RB, Washington (I like Wright a bit better) 2025 EXTRA 1st Rounder (Vikes) 2025 EXTRA 4th Rounder (Raiders) NOTE: Dillon Johnson was an early Top 30 visit for the Cardinals. Awhile back I did some research on Polk. I really liked him, But his 40 time at the combine was a bit slow I forgot the numbers but it was higher like 4.60 or so. Maybe 4.59 Polk at 6'3 3/8" ran a 4.52 40 yd dash -- Mina Kimes on a U-tube in the last few days listed Polk as one of her hidden gems. Awhile ago Belac mentioned Polk as well I believe.
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Post by flash on Apr 11, 2024 18:07:20 GMT -7
Here is some food for thought.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday. The two announcers brought up a good point. If Marvin Harrison turns out as good as projected and is close to what Larry used to be, they said this.
Would you have traded away for more draft picks and lost out on what Fitzgerald during his tenure here. Yes, we did not win a Super Bowl with him, but oh my...we got pretty close. In fact, had it not been for Larry, we would not have made it to the Super Bowl. The playoffs that season were the most exciting game play by Larry that he ever played for us.
The analysts on NFL Radio mentioned would you give away the chance to have drafted Larry who played for us for 14 seasons to gain an extra future first round draft pick? That was their commentary, not mine.
This is my commentary. Some of the guests on NFL Radio include previous Head Coaches, Offensive Coordinators(Todd Haley) and NFL Players. They all agree that to pass on Marvin could be the biggest mistake we have ever made in any of our drafts. Are we really getting a future 1rst round pick say from the Vikings? No we are not. Because the draft pick is one year away, it is like a 2nd round pick. And if the Vikings were to have a good season like Houston did, it would be like getting a late 2nd round pick. I am not the one saying this about future draft picks, the analysts on NFL Radio have said it plenty of times. Seems they mention that everyday. Listen to their broadcast which is daily on XM Sirius Radio.
If you think that passing on Adrian Peterson was a mistake, and if Marvin turns out to be as good as Fitz, we are going to regret that forever. Monti will be the laughing stock of the NFL unless he takes us to a Super Bowl.
We may have not won a Super Bowl with Larry, but he sure made watching games exciting even if we lost the game. Can you imagine if we trade with the Vikings, to get one of the 3 WR's, we will have to trade back up. So we lose a pick to trade up and we end up with a low first round pick should the Vikings do well.
Can anyone tell me why Marvin is the first WR projected to go first? And please don't tell me that it is because of his Dad. That does not fly with me. If that is the case, why is Brendan Rice not projected to go as the first WR off the board. Isn't he projected to go late second or early third?
For those of you who are drooling for a trade down, it could be the worst mistake of drafting in Cardinals history.
Yes, I am open for debate on what I said....
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 11, 2024 21:03:53 GMT -7
Here is some food for thought.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday. The two announcers brought up a good point. If Marvin Harrison turns out as good as projected and is close to what Larry used to be, they said this.
Would you have traded away for more draft picks and lost out on what Fitzgerald during his tenure here. Yes, we did not win a Super Bowl with him, but oh my...we got pretty close. In fact, had it not been for Larry, we would not have made it to the Super Bowl. The playoffs that season were the most exciting game play by Larry that he ever played for us.
The analysts on NFL Radio mentioned would you give away the chance to have drafted Larry who played for us for 14 seasons to gain an extra future first round draft pick? That was their commentary, not mine.
This is my commentary. Some of the guests on NFL Radio include previous Head Coaches, Offensive Coordinators(Todd Haley) and NFL Players. They all agree that to pass on Marvin could be the biggest mistake we have ever made in any of our drafts. Are we really getting a future 1rst round pick say from the Vikings? No we are not. Because the draft pick is one year away, it is like a 2nd round pick. And if the Vikings were to have a good season like Houston did, it would be like getting a late 2nd round pick. I am not the one saying this about future draft picks, the analysts on NFL Radio have said it plenty of times. Seems they mention that everyday. Listen to their broadcast which is daily on XM Sirius Radio.
If you think that passing on Adrian Peterson was a mistake, and if Marvin turns out to be as good as Fitz, we are going to regret that forever. Monti will be the laughing stock of the NFL unless he takes us to a Super Bowl.
We may have not won a Super Bowl with Larry, but he sure made watching games exciting even if we lost the game. Can you imagine if we trade with the Vikings, to get one of the 3 WR's, we will have to trade back up. So we lose a pick to trade up and we end up with a low first round pick should the Vikings do well.
Can anyone tell me why Marvin is the first WR projected to go first? And please don't tell me that it is because of his Dad. That does not fly with me. If that is the case, why is Brendan Rice not projected to go as the first WR off the board. Isn't he projected to go late second or early third?
For those of you who are drooling for a trade down, it could be the worst mistake of drafting in Cardinals history.
Yes, I am open for debate on what I said....
HI GM FLASH ! I agree with your assessment. I hope Monti isn't one of those GMs who are trade crazy. I don't want a trade down to 2nd tier players BTW, I am still awaiting your rebuttal back to me. What is it now? 2-3 weeks . I do want to see your comments . I know typing ink for computers is expensive in California plus its taxed. You should move to the real Sunshine state Florida.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 11, 2024 21:57:46 GMT -7
Here is some food for thought.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday. The two announcers brought up a good point. If Marvin Harrison turns out as good as projected and is close to what Larry used to be, they said this.
Would you have traded away for more draft picks and lost out on what Fitzgerald during his tenure here. Yes, we did not win a Super Bowl with him, but oh my...we got pretty close. In fact, had it not been for Larry, we would not have made it to the Super Bowl. The playoffs that season were the most exciting game play by Larry that he ever played for us.
The analysts on NFL Radio mentioned would you give away the chance to have drafted Larry who played for us for 14 seasons to gain an extra future first round draft pick? That was their commentary, not mine.
This is my commentary. Some of the guests on NFL Radio include previous Head Coaches, Offensive Coordinators(Todd Haley) and NFL Players. They all agree that to pass on Marvin could be the biggest mistake we have ever made in any of our drafts. Are we really getting a future 1rst round pick say from the Vikings? No we are not. Because the draft pick is one year away, it is like a 2nd round pick. And if the Vikings were to have a good season like Houston did, it would be like getting a late 2nd round pick. I am not the one saying this about future draft picks, the analysts on NFL Radio have said it plenty of times. Seems they mention that everyday. Listen to their broadcast which is daily on XM Sirius Radio.
If you think that passing on Adrian Peterson was a mistake, and if Marvin turns out to be as good as Fitz, we are going to regret that forever. Monti will be the laughing stock of the NFL unless he takes us to a Super Bowl.
We may have not won a Super Bowl with Larry, but he sure made watching games exciting even if we lost the game. Can you imagine if we trade with the Vikings, to get one of the 3 WR's, we will have to trade back up. So we lose a pick to trade up and we end up with a low first round pick should the Vikings do well.
Can anyone tell me why Marvin is the first WR projected to go first? And please don't tell me that it is because of his Dad. That does not fly with me. If that is the case, why is Brendan Rice not projected to go as the first WR off the board. Isn't he projected to go late second or early third?
For those of you who are drooling for a trade down, it could be the worst mistake of drafting in Cardinals history.
Yes, I am open for debate on what I said....
If we had passed on Larry in 2004 and instead traded down to #11, gaining #23 and then have #27 plus the #11 team’s 2005 1st rounder, we would have been trading with the Steelers. We get Big Ben instead of Fitz. We then can get Pro Bowler RB Steven Jackson who went right around pick #23. Then Pro Bowler DE Jason Babin who went #27 that year. Finally, we get the extra Pitts pick in 2005, which happened to be Pro Bowl TE Heath Miller at pick #30. They picked that low because rookie QB Big Ben nearly took them to the Super Bowl. But since they don’t get Big Ben in 2004, they probably aren’t any better than their 2004 pick at #11. So let’s say the 2005 pick we get from the trade is #11 (Demarcus Ware), #12 (Shawne Merriman), #13 (Jamel Brown), #14 (Thomas Davis), or #15 (Derrick Johnson). Every one of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Who would you rather have? Fitz or Ben Roethlisburger, Steven Jackson and Heath Miller all under what today are cheap rookie contracts for 4-5 yrs each? If we are playing the “what if” game, let’s play it straight.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 12, 2024 5:03:36 GMT -7
Here is some food for thought.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday. The two announcers brought up a good point. If Marvin Harrison turns out as good as projected and is close to what Larry used to be, they said this.
Would you have traded away for more draft picks and lost out on what Fitzgerald during his tenure here. Yes, we did not win a Super Bowl with him, but oh my...we got pretty close. In fact, had it not been for Larry, we would not have made it to the Super Bowl. The playoffs that season were the most exciting game play by Larry that he ever played for us.
The analysts on NFL Radio mentioned would you give away the chance to have drafted Larry who played for us for 14 seasons to gain an extra future first round draft pick? That was their commentary, not mine.
This is my commentary. Some of the guests on NFL Radio include previous Head Coaches, Offensive Coordinators(Todd Haley) and NFL Players. They all agree that to pass on Marvin could be the biggest mistake we have ever made in any of our drafts. Are we really getting a future 1rst round pick say from the Vikings? No we are not. Because the draft pick is one year away, it is like a 2nd round pick. And if the Vikings were to have a good season like Houston did, it would be like getting a late 2nd round pick. I am not the one saying this about future draft picks, the analysts on NFL Radio have said it plenty of times. Seems they mention that everyday. Listen to their broadcast which is daily on XM Sirius Radio.
If you think that passing on Adrian Peterson was a mistake, and if Marvin turns out to be as good as Fitz, we are going to regret that forever. Monti will be the laughing stock of the NFL unless he takes us to a Super Bowl.
We may have not won a Super Bowl with Larry, but he sure made watching games exciting even if we lost the game. Can you imagine if we trade with the Vikings, to get one of the 3 WR's, we will have to trade back up. So we lose a pick to trade up and we end up with a low first round pick should the Vikings do well.
Can anyone tell me why Marvin is the first WR projected to go first? And please don't tell me that it is because of his Dad. That does not fly with me. If that is the case, why is Brendan Rice not projected to go as the first WR off the board. Isn't he projected to go late second or early third?
For those of you who are drooling for a trade down, it could be the worst mistake of drafting in Cardinals history.
Yes, I am open for debate on what I said....
Wow, Flash. No Harrison pick at #4? You have made it impossible for me to consider another WR or trade without sacrificing 14 years of LF memories. I'd have to be a LF hater to walk into that emotional trap. Of course I will never give up my memory of LF sprinting for a TD to put ARZ ahead in the 2008 Super Bowl with 3 minutes to go. And I'd give up my first male child to see another ARZ WR do another miracle sprint in a Super Bowl as LF did 16 years ago. But I like challenges. Here I go. Is that next Cardinals Super Bowl WR going to be Harrison? I say .001% chance. I can get away with my Debbie-downer idea as easily as the NFL Radio guys can get away with their idea that Harrison has a .999% chance of being the Cardinals next Super Bowl savior. Who can argue with such ridiculously good odds? I can and will because the .001 and .999 are total BS. I made it up. The Radioheads are good people and know their business. I give them credit for that. No one knows the future. After all, the future has not happened yet. When it does happen, predictions and forecasts are forgotten. People focus on the facts. Right now, the only facts we have are that LF made a miracle play in 2008 and that Harrison has not caught one pass in the NFL. To put Harrison on a near-peer pedestal with LF is wrongheaded. I'm not saying anyone did that but it's looking like some folks already penciled Harrison in for a HOF jacket. Also, folks are building the hangman's platform for the GMs that pass on Harrison on April 26th for another WR or smart trades down. I look forward to Monti's second draft. He did good in 2023. I think he's got a thin resume but it is a good one so far. I certainly won't hold him responsible for the mistakes made by past ARZ GMs, e.g., missing Pederson, et al. Lastly, I liked your assessment. Maybe use fewer "if" and "could" words. I like bold forecasters.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 12, 2024 10:02:45 GMT -7
Rich Eisen and Guest discuss which teams will offer the "Godfather" offer to Monti Ossenfort - Giants - Vikes are desperate to Move UP? As long as the Giants are very interested - Monti has the leverage, the Vikings are stuck and no matter how much they want to do a "cheaper" deal with the Chargers, Monti has them checkmated. The Vikings may need to wait until Monti is on the clock to give their best deal offer. In fact I think the Broncos are still lurking (allegedly like McCarthy) and the Raiders (who are extremely interested in Jaydon Daniels if somehow the draft takes a turn at #2 & #3). It is pretty much accepted the Vikings like all 3 potential QB's - Daniels/Maye/McCarthy though I am not sure whom the Giants have fallen in love with. I really am hoping the Giants get aggressive and offers Monti a good deal (#47 & #107) to trade down from #4 to #6. I have been saying I think the Chargers will pick Nabers or Alt at #5 so the Cards trading with Giants gets Monti some draft capital and MHJ is a Cardinal. Further information comes from nfltraderumors.co in which I saw this quote from a AFC director of college scouting when speaking about Harbaugh. This AFC front office person told ESPN not to be surprised when the Chargers pass on a top receiver to draft a tackle saying "The offensive line has always been the hub of the offense for Harbaugh. He didn't even have highly recruited wideouts at Michigan, and now that thought process is supposed to change?"
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Post by End Zone on Apr 12, 2024 16:22:56 GMT -7
Rich Eisen and Guest discuss which teams will offer the "Godfather" offer to Monti Ossenfort - Giants - Vikes are desperate to Move UP? As long as the Giants are very interested - Monti has the leverage, the Vikings are stuck and no matter how much they want to do a "cheaper" deal with the Chargers, Monti has them checkmated. The Vikings may need to wait until Monti is on the clock to give their best deal offer. In fact I think the Broncos are still lurking (allegedly like McCarthy) and the Raiders (who are extremely interested in Jaydon Daniels if somehow the draft takes a turn at #2 & #3). It is pretty much accepted the Vikings like all 3 potential QB's - Daniels/Maye/McCarthy though I am not sure whom the Giants have fallen in love with. I really am hoping the Giants get aggressive and offers Monti a good deal (#47 & #107) to trade down from #4 to #6. I have been saying I think the Chargers will pick Nabers or Alt at #5 so the Cards trading with Giants gets Monti some draft capital and MHJ is a Cardinal. Further information comes from nfltraderumors.co in which I saw this quote from a AFC director of college scouting when speaking about Harbaugh. This AFC front office person told ESPN not to be surprised when the Chargers pass on a top receiver to draft a tackle saying "The offensive line has always been the hub of the offense for Harbaugh. He didn't even have highly recruited wideouts at Michigan, and now that thought process is supposed to change?" The only way I get concerned about Harbaugh is if he also trades down a spot or two. I like your idea about Harbaugh focusing on the OL/DL. Ground and pound is in his DNA since SF.
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Post by flash on Apr 12, 2024 19:20:43 GMT -7
Here is some food for thought.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday. The two announcers brought up a good point. If Marvin Harrison turns out as good as projected and is close to what Larry used to be, they said this.
Would you have traded away for more draft picks and lost out on what Fitzgerald during his tenure here. Yes, we did not win a Super Bowl with him, but oh my...we got pretty close. In fact, had it not been for Larry, we would not have made it to the Super Bowl. The playoffs that season were the most exciting game play by Larry that he ever played for us.
The analysts on NFL Radio mentioned would you give away the chance to have drafted Larry who played for us for 14 seasons to gain an extra future first round draft pick? That was their commentary, not mine.
This is my commentary. Some of the guests on NFL Radio include previous Head Coaches, Offensive Coordinators(Todd Haley) and NFL Players. They all agree that to pass on Marvin could be the biggest mistake we have ever made in any of our drafts. Are we really getting a future 1rst round pick say from the Vikings? No we are not. Because the draft pick is one year away, it is like a 2nd round pick. And if the Vikings were to have a good season like Houston did, it would be like getting a late 2nd round pick. I am not the one saying this about future draft picks, the analysts on NFL Radio have said it plenty of times. Seems they mention that everyday. Listen to their broadcast which is daily on XM Sirius Radio.
If you think that passing on Adrian Peterson was a mistake, and if Marvin turns out to be as good as Fitz, we are going to regret that forever. Monti will be the laughing stock of the NFL unless he takes us to a Super Bowl.
We may have not won a Super Bowl with Larry, but he sure made watching games exciting even if we lost the game. Can you imagine if we trade with the Vikings, to get one of the 3 WR's, we will have to trade back up. So we lose a pick to trade up and we end up with a low first round pick should the Vikings do well.
Can anyone tell me why Marvin is the first WR projected to go first? And please don't tell me that it is because of his Dad. That does not fly with me. If that is the case, why is Brendan Rice not projected to go as the first WR off the board. Isn't he projected to go late second or early third?
For those of you who are drooling for a trade down, it could be the worst mistake of drafting in Cardinals history.
Yes, I am open for debate on what I said....
HI GM FLASH ! I agree with your assessment. I hope Monti isn't one of those GMs who are trade crazy. I don't want a trade down to 2nd tier players BTW, I am still awaiting your rebuttal back to me. What is it now? 2-3 weeks . I do want to see your comments . I know typing ink for computers is expensive in California plus its taxed. You should move to the real Sunshine state Florida. Thanks for your post FL...
I thought I had replied to your post? Maybe it's not the same thread or post? I remember on one of the threads, you bamboozled me and I posted that I had no rebuttal. I just did not have a reply to you rebuttal because your logic, I could not debate. If you are talking about a different post...link it for me and I will post my comments. I would never leave you hanging.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 12, 2024 19:49:12 GMT -7
I thought I had replied to your post? Maybe it's not the same thread or post? I remember on one of the threads, you bamboozled me and I posted that I had no rebuttal. I just did not have a reply to you rebuttal because your logic, I could not debate. If you are talking about a different post...link it for me and I will post my comments. I would never leave you hanging. we are good
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Post by flash on Apr 12, 2024 20:01:33 GMT -7
Here is some food for thought.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday. The two announcers brought up a good point. If Marvin Harrison turns out as good as projected and is close to what Larry used to be, they said this.
Would you have traded away for more draft picks and lost out on what Fitzgerald during his tenure here. Yes, we did not win a Super Bowl with him, but oh my...we got pretty close. In fact, had it not been for Larry, we would not have made it to the Super Bowl. The playoffs that season were the most exciting game play by Larry that he ever played for us.
The analysts on NFL Radio mentioned would you give away the chance to have drafted Larry who played for us for 14 seasons to gain an extra future first round draft pick? That was their commentary, not mine.
This is my commentary. Some of the guests on NFL Radio include previous Head Coaches, Offensive Coordinators(Todd Haley) and NFL Players. They all agree that to pass on Marvin could be the biggest mistake we have ever made in any of our drafts. Are we really getting a future 1rst round pick say from the Vikings? No we are not. Because the draft pick is one year away, it is like a 2nd round pick. And if the Vikings were to have a good season like Houston did, it would be like getting a late 2nd round pick. I am not the one saying this about future draft picks, the analysts on NFL Radio have said it plenty of times. Seems they mention that everyday. Listen to their broadcast which is daily on XM Sirius Radio.
If you think that passing on Adrian Peterson was a mistake, and if Marvin turns out to be as good as Fitz, we are going to regret that forever. Monti will be the laughing stock of the NFL unless he takes us to a Super Bowl.
We may have not won a Super Bowl with Larry, but he sure made watching games exciting even if we lost the game. Can you imagine if we trade with the Vikings, to get one of the 3 WR's, we will have to trade back up. So we lose a pick to trade up and we end up with a low first round pick should the Vikings do well.
Can anyone tell me why Marvin is the first WR projected to go first? And please don't tell me that it is because of his Dad. That does not fly with me. If that is the case, why is Brendan Rice not projected to go as the first WR off the board. Isn't he projected to go late second or early third?
For those of you who are drooling for a trade down, it could be the worst mistake of drafting in Cardinals history.
Yes, I am open for debate on what I said....
If we had passed on Larry in 2004 and instead traded down to #11, gaining #23 and then have #27 plus the #11 team’s 2005 1st rounder, we would have been trading with the Steelers. We get Big Ben instead of Fitz. We then can get Pro Bowler RB Steven Jackson who went right around pick #23. Then Pro Bowler DE Jason Babin who went #27 that year. Finally, we get the extra Pitts pick in 2005, which happened to be Pro Bowl TE Heath Miller at pick #30. They picked that low because rookie QB Big Ben nearly took them to the Super Bowl. But since they don’t get Big Ben in 2004, they probably aren’t any better than their 2004 pick at #11. So let’s say the 2005 pick we get from the trade is #11 (Demarcus Ware), #12 (Shawne Merriman), #13 (Jamel Brown), #14 (Thomas Davis), or #15 (Derrick Johnson). Every one of those guys were Pro Bowlers. Who would you rather have? Fitz or Ben Roethlisburger, Steven Jackson and Heath Miller all under what today are cheap rookie contracts for 4-5 yrs each? If we are playing the “what if” game, let’s play it straight.Any opinions about the upcoming draft are speculation. Those opinions are mostly "ifs"? When I mentioned about Larry being mentioned on NFL Radio, that was not an if. We drafted him. And his time in Arizona is probably the most exciting of any players we have ever drafted. You mention what "if" we would have drafted Ben, Jackson and Babin. Those are 3 draft picks that we have no proof would have happened. Why did we pass on Ben? I am sure that the Draft committee had their reasons. What were their reasons? I sure as hell don't know. But, I will tell you this...I totally agree with the NFL Radio analyst on would I have not wanted Larry drafted instead of Ben. All I can say is Larry made all the losses we had, still exciting. I think the Super Bowl run is the best season we ever had as Cardinals Fans. Would I have traded for those others you mentioned? No way.
When you mention the "what if" game, that is a part of pre draft stuff. If I recall, and correct me if I am wrong...but did you not mention on a different thread that a trade with Minnesota would be acceptable to you only if they give us their 2025 first round pick? Seems that you used the "if" word there.
I already know that you are pro trade for this draft. You have your reasons and I have mine for anti trade.
D.H....I respect you because you always post your opinion. Just because we don't agree on things, does not mean I understand your logic on posts...
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Post by flash on Apr 12, 2024 21:07:19 GMT -7
Here is some food for thought.
I was listening to NFL Radio yesterday. The two announcers brought up a good point. If Marvin Harrison turns out as good as projected and is close to what Larry used to be, they said this.
Would you have traded away for more draft picks and lost out on what Fitzgerald during his tenure here. Yes, we did not win a Super Bowl with him, but oh my...we got pretty close. In fact, had it not been for Larry, we would not have made it to the Super Bowl. The playoffs that season were the most exciting game play by Larry that he ever played for us.
The analysts on NFL Radio mentioned would you give away the chance to have drafted Larry who played for us for 14 seasons to gain an extra future first round draft pick? That was their commentary, not mine.
This is my commentary. Some of the guests on NFL Radio include previous Head Coaches, Offensive Coordinators(Todd Haley) and NFL Players. They all agree that to pass on Marvin could be the biggest mistake we have ever made in any of our drafts. Are we really getting a future 1rst round pick say from the Vikings? No we are not. Because the draft pick is one year away, it is like a 2nd round pick. And if the Vikings were to have a good season like Houston did, it would be like getting a late 2nd round pick. I am not the one saying this about future draft picks, the analysts on NFL Radio have said it plenty of times. Seems they mention that everyday. Listen to their broadcast which is daily on XM Sirius Radio.
If you think that passing on Adrian Peterson was a mistake, and if Marvin turns out to be as good as Fitz, we are going to regret that forever. Monti will be the laughing stock of the NFL unless he takes us to a Super Bowl.
We may have not won a Super Bowl with Larry, but he sure made watching games exciting even if we lost the game. Can you imagine if we trade with the Vikings, to get one of the 3 WR's, we will have to trade back up. So we lose a pick to trade up and we end up with a low first round pick should the Vikings do well.
Can anyone tell me why Marvin is the first WR projected to go first? And please don't tell me that it is because of his Dad. That does not fly with me. If that is the case, why is Brendan Rice not projected to go as the first WR off the board. Isn't he projected to go late second or early third?
For those of you who are drooling for a trade down, it could be the worst mistake of drafting in Cardinals history.
Yes, I am open for debate on what I said....
Wow, Flash. No Harrison pick at #4? You have made it impossible for me to consider another WR or trade without sacrificing 14 years of LF memories. I'd have to be a LF hater to walk into that emotional trap. Of course I will never give up my memory of LF sprinting for a TD to put ARZ ahead in the 2008 Super Bowl with 3 minutes to go. And I'd give up my first male child to see another ARZ WR do another miracle sprint in a Super Bowl as LF did 16 years ago. But I like challenges. Here I go. Is that next Cardinals Super Bowl WR going to be Harrison? I say .001% chance. I can get away with my Debbie-downer idea as easily as the NFL Radio guys can get away with their idea that Harrison has a .999% chance of being the Cardinals next Super Bowl savior. Who can argue with such ridiculously good odds? I can and will because the .001 and .999 are total BS. I made it up. The Radioheads are good people and know their business. I give them credit for that. No one knows the future. After all, the future has not happened yet. When it does happen, predictions and forecasts are forgotten. People focus on the facts. Right now, the only facts we have are that LF made a miracle play in 2008 and that Harrison has not caught one pass in the NFL. To put Harrison on a near-peer pedestal with LF is wrongheaded. I'm not saying anyone did that but it's looking like some folks already penciled Harrison in for a HOF jacket. Also, folks are building the hangman's platform for the GMs that pass on Harrison on April 26th for another WR or smart trades down. I look forward to Monti's second draft. He did good in 2023. I think he's got a thin resume but it is a good one so far. I certainly won't hold him responsible for the mistakes made by past ARZ GMs, e.g., missing Pederson, et al. Lastly, I liked your assessment. Maybe use fewer "if" and "could" words. I like bold forecasters.EZ
You, myself or the NFL Radio analysts are predicting our opinions. There is no right or wrong. You and I might have better perspective on what is best for our team because we follow our team much closer than any Analysts. The one exception is Mike Florio. He sucks when it comes to our team. He just does not like the Cardinals period. But he is one of many Analysts.
I have to use the "if" and "could" words for this reason. Here is what I mean.
When I say that what "if" Marvin becomes a Larry? I can't say that he will do that because I don't know that. And I am not going to say that Marvin is not a good choice because what "if" he busts?
Yes, I use "ifs" and "coulds". But that is because it is opinion. When I mention Larry...it is not "ifs" or "coulds". It is fact.
Do I totally agree with the analysts on NFL Radio? No. But I will take their opinion into consideration when I have an opinion about what we should do for the draft. I had never thought of would I have not wanted us to draft Larry after what he has done for him.
D.H. mentioned should we have drafted Ben instead of Larry. Ben won two Super Bowls. That could have been one only and us one too if Larry's efforts to get us there and almost win us the game. Larry did not lose us that Super Bowl. That interception by a Lineman run back for a TD changed the momentum. And the tip toe touchdown by Antonio Holmes sealed our fate. Had he not made that catch, Ben would have one Super Bowl win and Larry one too. Hmm...I still take Larry over Ben..
I do agree with you the the Radio Heads do not know the future. And neither do we. But when previous GM's, Head Coaches and players give their opinion, I will listen and decide whether I agree with it or not.
The last guest analyst that gave his viewpoint about the Cardinals upcoming #4 pick was Todd Haley. Hmm...was he the OC that helped us make it to the Super Bowl? In his opinion, he said we should not pass on Marvin...how much credibility would you give him?
Anyways, thanks for all your feedback on my post. I always respect your opinions whenever you rebuttal my opinions....
Enough said...
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Post by devongent on Apr 13, 2024 0:15:51 GMT -7
Hmm...I still take Larry over Ben.. I agree with you flash; rejoice on the player we had (and brought so much enjoyment to the fans over the years). I get the desire of people for Arizona to win a Superbowl, but there is so much more to supporting 'your team' than that.
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Post by devongent on Apr 13, 2024 0:31:12 GMT -7
I thought the idea was firstly to determine the most popular trade option (elimination fight), and then put that forward against Harrison #4 (title decider). You might have entered the ring before you needed to do, hence you still have time to put your feet up before the main contest begins...!
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Post by flash on Apr 13, 2024 6:58:49 GMT -7
I thought the idea was firstly to determine the most popular trade option (elimination fight), and then put that forward against Harrison #4 (title decider). You might have entered the ring before you needed to do, hence you still have time to put your feet up before the main contest begins...! Hello Dev,
I posted NO TRADE because in a trade poll...there should be the choice to not make the trade. When I started reading some of the trade options, it turned my stomach. Ha ha ha...
I can't even bring myself to think of any trade options for our #4...
I just finally have started to accept that more than likely we will trade out of #4. If that happens, I have to accept it. And in 7 years when Marvin is still going strong with the Chargers, I will just drink plenty of beer to overcome the awful feeling of us not drafting him...
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