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Post by End Zone on Dec 19, 2023 14:24:46 GMT -7
Olave checks in at 6'0" and 187 lbs. He needs 4.25 speed to stay out of trouble. Odunze checks in at 6'3" and 215 lbs. 3" and 30 lbs difference gets my attention. I think Coleman at 6'4" and 215 lbs is a closer comp to Odunze. I worry about WRs @ 6' or <6'. Murray's vision is suspect in the NO MAN'S LAND between the hashmarks and 20 yards downfield. A 6' WR gets lost in the NML blackhole. If not Harrison, then Coleman + Odunze. I'm happy. View AttachmentI meant on play style, and how they attack routes and coverage. Coleman is an interesting prospect. If you watch the Stock Exchange link in this thread...they talk about how he only gets separation in about 16-17% of his routes...against college CBs. In the pros...he'll face some competition that won't let him moss them. When your only tool is winning the contested catch, it's hard to make a living in the pros. Personally, I tend to follow the critique of Bucky Brooks...scout and former corner. The wide receivers that tend to do well in the pros are those that can win by running good routes. Odunze can do this...but the WRs ahead of him are way better in this regard (Nabers and Harrison) I thought I might have mis-read your intent. Thanks for the additional critique. I did watch Coleman's films and he does exactly what you said on most scenes. DB's get glued to him way too easy. And why? Is it the FL coaching? Or because he's just so damned big that every DB wanting to make a name gets inside Coleman's jock. Coleman certainly isn't slow or awkward. I wonder if Coleman isn't a bit lazy on routes, using his height and leaping ability instead of his brains and twitchiness to make space on the routes. The Draft is fat with WRs this year. We're going shopping in April
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Post by cardinalsins on Dec 29, 2023 9:05:09 GMT -7
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Post by End Zone on Dec 29, 2023 9:36:17 GMT -7
I meant on play style, and how they attack routes and coverage. Coleman is an interesting prospect. If you watch the Stock Exchange link in this thread...they talk about how he only gets separation in about 16-17% of his routes...against college CBs. In the pros...he'll face some competition that won't let him moss them. When your only tool is winning the contested catch, it's hard to make a living in the pros. Personally, I tend to follow the critique of Bucky Brooks...scout and former corner. The wide receivers that tend to do well in the pros are those that can win by running good routes. Odunze can do this...but the WRs ahead of him are way better in this regard (Nabers and Harrison) I thought I might have mis-read your intent. Thanks for the additional critique. I did watch Coleman's films and he does exactly what you said on most scenes. DB's get glued to him way too easy. And why? Is it the FL coaching? Or because he's just so damned big that every DB wanting to make a name gets inside Coleman's jock. Coleman certainly isn't slow or awkward. I wonder if Coleman isn't a bit lazy on routes, using his height and leaping ability instead of his brains and twitchiness to make space on the routes. The Draft is fat with WRs this year. We're going shopping in April I think Coleman made it official on Thursday and declared for the NFL draft. He might be a good WR#2 or #3 complement to MHJ. Those two are giants.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Jan 1, 2024 11:36:07 GMT -7
Brenden Rice 6'3" 206+ LBs He is a thick tall WR who works on broken plays and has the speed and size on crossing routes to excel. Solid on 50/50 balls and is physical when DBs are tight on him able to maintain roure and good at back shoulder catches.
He is a solid returner in the kicking game.
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Post by cardinalsins on Jan 1, 2024 13:30:01 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsins on Jan 2, 2024 5:40:27 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsins on Jan 2, 2024 14:19:24 GMT -7
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Post by End Zone on Jan 3, 2024 3:15:10 GMT -7
Let's all agree, that Harrison also gets a lot of attention because of his father's success. Odunze is equally dangerous with the right QB and offensive teammates.
This WR class in 2024 is the deepest that I can remember since following NFL Drafts. A whole bunch of mediocre NFL receivers in 2023 will be unemployed by Sep 2024.
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Post by End Zone on Jan 9, 2024 7:31:41 GMT -7
Did you guys watch WR Odunze and Washington v. the Michigan D at the NCAAF game last night?
Odunze proved he's NFL ready. He would have done better on the yardage if the QB was more accurate. QB Penix was off target by inches to yards on some passes. Too bad about his awful ankle injury. I hope that Penix doesn't require surgery.
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Post by End Zone on Jan 11, 2024 15:32:36 GMT -7
Well, he did it. MHJ declared for the 2024 Draft. Good for him. Good for the team that drafts him!
Is MHJ really 6'3"? Numerous sites have him taller and some have him less tall. If he's in the 6'2" range, then he is not special enough for Murray. IMHO.
Is MHJ really 205 lbs? That's lightweight for a 6'4" WR. Spreading 205 lbs of meat across a 6'4" frame leaves nothing to protect him from the NFL DBs, Safeties, LBs, and the frozen turf at GB.
Is he really sub-4.39 in the 40?
The Combine might tell us the truth if MHJ shows up. He will surely do a Pro Day at OSU. Will his toadies hide his real numbers?
I read DH's opening comments about MHJ's strengths and weaknesses. He's not Larry Fitzgerald by a long shot. There are some Forum members that fell in love with CD Lamb a couple years ago and were not wrong about the man's skills. Pair Lamb with Murray and would the WR's skills look as good? I ask the same question about MHJ. Pair him with Murray and is the QB going to (1) see him, and (2) is the WR going to last long enough to complete his rookie contract? Those are unknowable answers until the metal meets the meat next September.
I'm looking at the entire 2024 WR group to make sure that I don't fall for the shiny object flashed in front of my face by the media 24/7. MHJ gets a lot of attention. So does Colman, Nabers, etc. I do like 2-3 other WR options as much as MHJ. I know Monti Ossenfort is as discriminating as me when it comes to the Draft hype.
The #4 Draft spot is a good place to be for the Cardinals this year. Monti has plenty options. GMs will come calling.
Go Cardinals!
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Post by cardinalsins on Jan 16, 2024 12:58:53 GMT -7
Cool interview.
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Post by End Zone on Jan 21, 2024 6:01:39 GMT -7
I'm liking Legette (6'3" and 228 lbs) and Coleman (6'4" and 215 lbs) more and more. I paid close attention to how Baltimore's and San Francisco's corners, safeties, and linebackers manhandled the Houston and Green Bay WRs and TEs at Saturday's Division playoffs games. Only the taller and thicker receivers (HOU/Collins, example) had much of a chance against the elite BAL and SF defenders.
If ARZ wants to achieve the playoffs in 2024, they ballhandlers must get bigger. Coleman after Harrison and Nabors will come off the board way ahead of Legette. Legette might be available at #27 or maybe the 2nd round, #36. OL/DL are still my top priority early in Round 1.
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Post by cardinalsins on Jan 31, 2024 18:15:35 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsins on Feb 13, 2024 19:32:13 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsins on Feb 17, 2024 17:34:12 GMT -7
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