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Post by knobby on Apr 19, 2024 22:11:41 GMT -7
The following was gently plucked from the Purple Pain forum and heavily edited for clarity and brevity:
"A Viking insider... said... Vikings have #3 (pick) already a done deal. Maye is the guy. Maye and McCarthy are the only two targets. (a) Washington... insider said to buy your Daniels jersey (but) If they change plans so will Minnesota, but only (to substitute) McCarthy for Maye."
The insider quoted above supposedly has a nearly flawless record of predicting in the past, and refuted any trades including JJ as just smoke.
Offered FWIW and as fuel for the fire.
IMHO
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Post by devongent on Apr 20, 2024 1:57:47 GMT -7
I don't think we can discount the Minnesota option - www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/rival-hc-name-drops-vikings-as-competition-for-qb-amid-trade-rumors/ar-AA1njm0ZHowever, if they did a deal with the Patriots #3, then #4 would still be in play with the possibility of the Broncos, Raiders and the Giants remaining. A deal with the Vikings is still my personal favorite as the amount of compensation in return will be substantial. #11 and #23 plus a first rounder in 2025 (even with giving some back in 2025 as part of the deal) is too good to pass over in my view. I know many want a guarantee of Harrison/ Nabers/ Odunze, but I am willing to pass over all three and take a couple of receivers lower down. Heck, Bowers might be available #11 and then there is still the potential of a move back up (say with Atlanta #8). There are a lot of talented players in this draft, and even back #23 there will be an opportunity to bring in another excellent player. All just my opinion, of course...
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Post by CardsFanQC on Apr 20, 2024 4:16:07 GMT -7
This seems plausible for the Pats as I believe the GM/HC Mayo want to trade down and Maye has been the preferred target of the Vikes over McCarthy though they do like the latter. It also has been rumored the Pats liked Daniels > Maye/McCarthy but Jaydon Daniels appears to be locked to K2 and the Commanders... which is why again I do believe GM/Mayo want more picks; however Robert Kraft rumor that he wants a QB @ #3 also seems very possible. Carolina owner Tepper stepped over his GM/HC last year to have the team select Bryce Young over CJ Stroud. History of owners being GM's does not have a good track record.
Can the Pats sell their fans on Bo Nix or Penix as the QBOF rather than Drake Maye ? With all the offensive weapons for the Vikings and a very good offensive HC, the Pats might get stuck next year with the 2025 1st rounder obtained in this rumored deal to be in the #22 - #25 range. 2025 draft depth is not expected to be near as good as the 2024 draft.
My last observation is if the Pats do this deal and go Brian Thomas, Jr. or OT Latham at #11, there could be several teams (Raiders/Broncos/Giants/Cowboys(?) calling the Eagles at #22 (maybe Giants/Cowboys calling the Dolphins at #21) to jump over the Patriots at #23.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 20, 2024 4:26:42 GMT -7
Which QB-needy team is the most desperate? That's the team most likely to jump up to the 2nd or 3rd spot which will cost that that team a bundle. That also might increase the value of the 4th pick. Stay tuned for GM insanity on Draft night. Anyone wo goes to bed before Round 1 is done on Thursday night is likely to miss the NFL Draft of the Century. A few teams will set themselves up for consistent appearances in NFL playoffs for 8-10 years. Other teams will swing and miss again. Somehow, I just whizzed past 17,000 posts as of today. Golly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2024 5:07:54 GMT -7
Makes sense for Monti to hold out then after the first couple of picks go through.
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Post by redbirdwatcher on Apr 20, 2024 16:15:39 GMT -7
Which QB-needy team is the most desperate? That's the team most likely to jump up to the 2nd or 3rd spot which will cost that that team a bundle. That also might increase the value of the 4th pick. Stay tuned for GM insanity on Draft night. Anyone wo goes to bed before Round 1 is done on Thursday night is likely to miss the NFL Draft of the Century. A few teams will set themselves up for consistent appearances in NFL playoffs for 8-10 years. Other teams will swing and miss again. Somehow, I just whizzed past 17,000 posts as of today. Golly. Congrats on the 17,000.
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Post by supercard on Apr 20, 2024 23:43:08 GMT -7
Which QB-needy team is the most desperate? That's the team most likely to jump up to the 2nd or 3rd spot which will cost that that team a bundle. That also might increase the value of the 4th pick. Stay tuned for GM insanity on Draft night. Anyone wo goes to bed before Round 1 is done on Thursday night is likely to miss the NFL Draft of the Century. A few teams will set themselves up for consistent appearances in NFL playoffs for 8-10 years. Other teams will swing and miss again. Somehow, I just whizzed past 17,000 posts as of today. Golly. Does that mean your getting old?!
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Post by End Zone on Apr 21, 2024 4:40:49 GMT -7
Which QB-needy team is the most desperate? That's the team most likely to jump up to the 2nd or 3rd spot which will cost that that team a bundle. That also might increase the value of the 4th pick. Stay tuned for GM insanity on Draft night. Anyone wo goes to bed before Round 1 is done on Thursday night is likely to miss the NFL Draft of the Century. A few teams will set themselves up for consistent appearances in NFL playoffs for 8-10 years. Other teams will swing and miss again. Somehow, I just whizzed past 17,000 posts as of today. Golly. Does that mean your getting old?! I prefer 'wise.' I am getting wiser. Rocks are old. You and me are not rocks.
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Post by supercard on Apr 21, 2024 4:58:44 GMT -7
That is a pretty wise statement on your part. Not old just wiser and better. Now if only my wife would buy that. I did give her my Amex card and told her to disappear on Thursday night. By now she should know the drill.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 22, 2024 3:01:27 GMT -7
In my humble opinion the broncos are by far the most desperate quarterback needy team that are not picking in the top three. Problem is Denver just does not have enough draft picks to move up to number four. I do like the idea of getting Patrick surtain but I think it's more important that the Cardinals acquire a true number one wide receiver because going forward as an organization the Cardinals still have to find out about the little dude.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 22, 2024 3:53:28 GMT -7
In my humble opinion the broncos are by far the most desperate quarterback needy team that are not picking in the top three. Problem is Denver just does not have enough draft picks to move up to number four. I do like the idea of getting Patrick surtain but I think it's more important that the Cardinals acquire a true number one wide receiver because going forward as an organization the Cardinals still have to find out about the little dude. JCF, An old thought crossed my mind...ref Little Dude...he's replaceable in 2 years with a future Draft pick acquired from DEN. We all are aware of the Little Dude's contract cost, CAP issues, and shortcomings. I'm open to accepting 3 x 1sts from DEN for #4.
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Post by devongent on Apr 22, 2024 9:53:17 GMT -7
And a different trade option between the Cardinals and the Vikings. In this case the former is gives up #27 and #90 for the #23. The Mock draft is from Jordan Reid at ESPN, and has the feeling of realism about it. The earlier picks are as follows -
#4 - Marvin Harrison Jr #23 - Nate Wiggins (at #23 he has real value, and waiting for him to drop #27 would be real risky. If the FO want a Cornerback and like Wiggins then such a Trade Up would be well worth it). #35 - Christian Haynes (Guard) - I think Haynes is a good get and I have posted in support of him before. Some may consider here is too high in the draft, but ultimately if the FO rate him, then lets draft him! #66 - Ruke Orhorhoro (DT) #71 - Austin Booker (Edge) With these last two picks the Cardinals boost the front seven. #104 - Blake Corum (RB) and #138 we select our second Wide Receiver.
I like this mock a lot, even though we have passed on the opportunity to trade down with our first pick. We have added to the DL (both at DT and Edge) and brought in a specialist Guard, who I consider will be a great asset in the years to come. We then have our future CB1, plus two WR's and our additional Running back.
Overall Jordan Reid has done a good job, and it seems that proper thought has been given and he has not simply plucked out names from the hat.
The other point to say, this mock is an excellent illustration of how valuable the #23 pick could actually be...
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 22, 2024 11:48:48 GMT -7
In my humble opinion the broncos are by far the most desperate quarterback needy team that are not picking in the top three. Problem is Denver just does not have enough draft picks to move up to number four. I do like the idea of getting Patrick surtain but I think it's more important that the Cardinals acquire a true number one wide receiver because going forward as an organization the Cardinals still have to find out about the little dude. JCF, An old thought crossed my mind...ref Little Dude...he's replaceable in 2 years with a future Draft pick acquired from DEN. We all are aware of the Little Dude's contract cost, CAP issues, and shortcomings. I'm open to accepting 3 x 1sts from DEN for #4. it would be hard indeed to pass up on three first from Denver cuz chances are they're going to be high first round draft picks anyway.
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Post by supercard on Apr 22, 2024 14:03:49 GMT -7
Forget Denver, they just acquired Wilson from Jets. Didn’t really solve anything for them. Another casted off qb.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 23, 2024 13:48:39 GMT -7
Forget Denver, they just acquired Wilson from Jets. Didn’t really solve anything for them. Another casted off qb. I agree with you though miracles do happen but my my is an amazing how the great wonderful Sean Payton has totally screwed up the broncos? I don't know if elway is still involved with the broncos or not but I cannot see him being happy at all about what Peyton has done if he is
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